You were their only closest competition for the crown you had to know a wave was coming after your war ended. Claiming they had to give you a free pass because "we wanted to war someone else" is such a lame argument.
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You were their only closest competition for the crown you had to know a wave was coming after your war ended. Claiming they had to give you a free pass because "we wanted to war someone else" is such a lame argument.
Although fs has done some things wrong last couple of ages, which I also discussed with Francis at length as we didn't agree on certain things... I can't see where they are wrong in this hostile with SS?
I'm not saying they don't deserve some karma from earlier age or age before (not that I would know any details this age), but seems a bit harsh what's going on in regards to breaking cfs etc to "teach" them a lesson...As for BB commenting that this should be left a 1on1 because you say it's a hostile is wrong if what I read earlier that it was not a proper hostile... be course then once again you give your double standard ****, as earlier age you claimed a double hostile was only if both kds was hitting (which according to this wasn't the case early on).
I totally imagined you in Robert downeys voice from tropic thunder xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Meep
"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not."
-Dr. Seuss
Well, it didnt stop us from having to completely withdraw from the war we were supposed to have and disbanding. So not the best outcome in the end. (Thank you to the other kd who understood the situation and ceased hostilities)Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodwitch
FS Deal broke into an active hostile earlier this age and whilst I dont know the specifics this end of age drama FS dont have a good record when it comes to fair play. Sampuan and a couple others know exactly what FS did and full well what I'm talking about so before I spend time digging out logs, he can comment on it instead of ignoring me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodwitch
No reason for protector to know of this specific situation, like I said we did not really go public about it and disbanded straight after this happened. Also, Like I said I'm not following this DB closely, only commenting on the dark precedent of the BB pyro FS alliance.
Again the entire point is they told other kds they didnt diplo so your ffault on the hits. I initiated diplo 10hrs before they waved, again 3hrs before and finally during their wave. They did not care to respond until hours after their wave. I was willing to trad honor after my war because I know what they're after. But I had my entire kd prepping for another kd because we thought fs would diplo like they claim. Besides they aimed us straight oow which in itself pretty lame, they probably guessed we wouldn't retal. But ruin my war and continue to hit us max meter well we are the suicide squadQuote:
Originally Posted by AlphaQUp
LOL, thats a good one meep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meep
****ing meep.
credit your sources :D
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it.
If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re ****ing done for."
-n0tail 2014
Nothing new that pyro bb and fs are an alliance, that's the 3 that did over ED when ED did what FS are doing..
Pyro double gangbanged ED course FS couldn't handle it alone and BB went in and paid the price so FS could keep honour, as BB didn't care for honour...
As for anyone else coming to aid I can guarantee Crazies will aid BB as well as Palenstine leads Crazies, BB did a smart thing before this age incase emeriti made a move, they spread out their strong players to secure allies, BB - Protector, Pyro - Flogger, Crazies - Palenstine, FS - owed them for last age, The blood brothers etc. The list is long if it needs to be, so bb can do as they wish... just stating the obvious.
Yes, I'v been stating that for a long time. People know the top (generally speaking) are organised and act as they wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aranfein
care to explain what does bb alliances got to do with 5 kds ganging up to kill my provs in war?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aranfein
That's the answer I was looking for :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dingy2
? I got no idea what you're talking about, so no I do not Francis.
White Rose - NighT - Monarch of Ruthless.
Can we all please just identify ourselves before each post? Half the time I'm trying to figure out who (what KD) is actually saying what. It's annoying. I'm not that much into the whole politics / diplomacy.
Anyway, to answers a few questions I've seen in this topic:
Ruthless got waved by FS and had its TMs raped for no good reason other than that we couldnt hit back and they provided nice punching bags. Destroyed our chance of warring (I believe this is a re-occuring problem). Ruthless was forced into CF.
Even before I, monarch of Ruthless, agreed to that bullcrap cf (yes, I did agree to it) I had already edited in the monarch message "we'll get back to FS the moment we can".
We then continued to rebuild for near a week, waved a bit and couldnt find anything (all TMs below KD average size even). When I saw FS was bullying SS I knew it was only a matter of time till I would be contacted. Which I was. I received a PM asking if "I was looking to get back at these guys". I was given the headsup on SS wanting to declare. I said that we still had a bone to pick with FS, that's it. I have razed into FS on my own acord. I did not receive instructions on who to hit. I was not given a target. I asked SS on when they were going to declare, checked ETA times once in war, told my guys when to expect next wave, and then missed that wave because I was having a few beers.
Us razing FS has NOTHING to do with SS asking it. We would have razed FS regardless of who they were warring. Yes, I would have dealbroken that deal regardless. If you want to make a deal with me, great, but then dont hold a gun to my head. Mind you that we've been a very honourable kingdom all age(s). We've never dealbroken in the past, and we've always been nice to whoever we warred/waved.
I'm well aware Ruthless (and/or my prov) is in a world of crap after this war. I dont care. I've been bullied enough to know that I will no longer submit to any of it.
FS had it coming, just like we'll probably have it coming.
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That said, could someone please explain why Ruthless dealbreaking is worse than BB dealbreaking (as I understand it they broke cf with SS? Who had nothing to do with me dealbreaking FS....)?
Have a good evening,
Regards,
NighT
because FS and BB are allies, its standard affair that if your allies are being gb'ed your allowed to help w/out it being a "true dealbreak".Quote:
Originally Posted by NighT
So when SS, our ally, got fed on by FS it wasnt alright for me to dealbreak? Awesome, I love double standards.
Are you really allies if one side claims up and down that they aren't allies? I seem to recall FS denying all claims that they were allied with BB last age.
Also the fact that FS got gangbanged is not on SS. It's on Ruthless (and whatever other KD is doing the GB). Shouldnt BB be razing them? Instead of razing into a war, on a kingdom who did nothing wrong other than max out the meter against the bully?
Thanks for the drama.
It made my old whatsapp grp with my ex grp of guys from cRAZiEs active again.
NighT no, BB is an honourable kingdom with high standard who can dealbreak when they feel like.
Trust me they will find a way to make it seem fine that they dealbreak.
Lost Souls here
No one had to ask us to raze FS. Obviously I was already pointing out before they even waved SS that they should not continue down that path. I also always say, bad things happen to bad people, it's called Karma.
We are not allied with any of the kingdoms hitting FS. We are friends with some, but then we are also friends with some of the people in kingdoms that are razing SS.
Having a different opinion doesn't make me not be someones friend. I do think those kingdoms are making a mistake. Especially after new information about a deal break by FS earlier in the age emerged. And I agree with whiterose, SS did nothing but max the meter, they didn't break any rules.
If you insist on hitting someone as a punishment for something you consider wrong at least punish the ones that committed such acts.
Just because hitting SS is easier and suits your agendas better does not make it right.
Where does this come from this time? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Aranfein
Obviously if KD A waves KD B, there is a certain amount of time were, regardless if retsls or not, KD A initiated a hostile. If it remains to be one depends in the response of KD B.
It's not a double standard at all. It's about scale and proper response/just punishment. Typically there are exactly 2 reasons that everyone would agree upon that would negate old deals and require action. #1, someone hitting into a 1 v 1 fight, war in particular and #2 severe deal break, particularly eoacf ones. If you don't have one or the other, you don't have severe enough circumstances to override your previous deals/relations. Others may argue for other things to override, but basically everyone would agree that both of these circumstances are severe enough. Your reason for doing what you're doing is trivial compared to the 2 pillars I'm talking about and certainly dont justify the bs that's going on currently. That is currently where the disagreement is in my opinion. Most of the server thinks your gangbang is unjustified because it lacks the severity needed to go that far. Most of the kds on your side are not involved because they feel morally obligated. Instead, most of them are spiteful that FS did something to them either this age or prior ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by NighT
Is it really sitting that deep?Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
I'm not involved this time in any way shape or form. Each time your organisation gets together to bully different kds though its stokes further animosity towards you. Irrespective of the exact circumstances here, eventually your alliance will overplay your hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by protector
Hah. We're only razing because a few douchebags started a GB for no reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aranfein
You guys truely are mental lol. I'd call you morons but if I did Palem would perhaps ban me, so I shall refrain from that :)
Is it okay for you to break your eoacf purely because you got bullied and on top of that raze someone in war?Quote:
Originally Posted by NighT
If you war against some random kd next age, should others raze you into war? Is that what you want?
This what i suspected myself. Because normally the top actually mail and contact both sides to gather evidence. In this instance they just razed us. Trust me fs if i controlled or initiated a gb on you would leave your provs on 50a for the lawlzQuote:
Originally Posted by Aranfein
That was my question, if its really sitting that deep. Based on your reply seems to be :pQuote:
Originally Posted by lampost
do you really think so many kds would join in without proof?Quote:
Originally Posted by markers
Oh from the sn i only saw 2 kds. One of which would never help me because feint hates me. Who else hitting you? Now I have 5 kds hitting mine all apart of bb allianceQuote:
Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN
They are your alliance so yes they would. Where is your proof btw, I'll show you mine if you show me yoursQuote:
Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN
Protector, calling me (us? Who are you including me with?) morons or mental for then to say you didn't say it is stupid, maybe you should refrain from using such big words in the future.
As for what you think, I hardly care... if you think I'm in any way form or shape part of it, good on you... but for the record I don't even own a province ingame, hence I stated to Francis I had no idea what he was talking about in regards to his province.
Apart from that, not sure why you take my post and make a comment like that when my comment clearly stated facts, but be my guest to pick it apart.
As for ruthless, they deal broke FS on own accord it seems? Why is BB breaking cf deal with markers if they are not involved in ruthless waving? Shouldn't BB apologise and get their own gb?
Ahhhhhh, you almost got away there! Banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by protector
It would seem that in a game where ages are running longer and competition is getting harder to find, players are much more willing to deal with perceived injustices. Top KDs have always relied on their threat of being larger to play the game how they believe should be played, however few ever want to be stuck in a retal war trading or having to raze kill people while other KDs outgrow them and their major weakness is vs. KDs who just don't care (until they themselves have nothing to play for).
FS have played the game they see fit for the last few ages, showing they're willing to ignore CF offers and powerplay KDs for weeks when it suits them, while also showing they're more than willing to ask for outside help when things aren't going their way. I've not been following this age too much and not read the whole thread but there's comments about FS dealbreaking this age and bottom feeding for honour, so for the 3rd age in a row FS find themselves at the centre of a controversy.
If ED waving FS is enough to have the hostile declared "invalid" after a few hours of no hits/ops (only for FS to start them again after Pyro wave) and it being grounds to ask alliance for aid, then I don't see any reason why FS "picking on" a KD much like ED "picked on" FS isn't grounds for other KDs to engage FS. Utopia has a unique way of people remembering KDs previous actions and judging them in kinda, probably the closest thing to karma we're going to get.
Glad to get involved vs. FS, live by your actions.
Thank you Bishop I was getting tired of all the single quote post back to back to back anyway from him :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
And as far as Ruthless is it really deal breaking if they were bullied into the CF that they didn't want to be in to begin with? Sounds like they were more like they were forced into containment and when they saw a chance for revenge they escaped their cages.
Biggest deal break and dishonesty i have seen yet! I see protector has not been banned by this treacherous liar and deal breaker!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Next we raze Bishop!
*makes a prov*Quote:
Originally Posted by duckels
Paymon, while I agree with the forcing, I don't think breaking an eoacf is "ok", if you don't want a deal there is many ways to avoid making it, but you have to be willing to take the hits that comes if you don't, many kds will move on, after a wave or 2.. Unfortunately FS doesn't before they feel you can't get back at them again.. You should grow from start and do same to them next age if you can find them....
but don't break eoacf deals for revenge.
Exactly what Aranfein said. No one is asking you to just lay down and take a beating all the time, but there are proper responses to this kind of stuff that doesn't involve breaking the 2 pillars. If every time someone felt threatened or bullied, an alliance showed up and messed someone up, the game would be even more trashy than it has already been.