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In war right now and had som 100% accurate. Army was home and we were going to steal horses. Over 10-15 mins we tried ops with there were no horses to steal and only after updating his som did we get any. I took the som before and after with 10% thieves
did you get a fresh som and see his horses HOME before starting ops?Quote:
Originally Posted by wingding
when my bot says his army is home, his army is home...its called math
its not, bots usually miscalculate exact return times and announces army home some minutes before it actually is..Quote:
Originally Posted by wingding
so when running 2 bots, they were both off by 15 minutes...right
Its very likely your bots are ~5 mines off in time. 15 sounds long. Did you check the in game intel page?
of course i did, i too could see a factor of error of 1-3 mins late, because of info not being pushed properly....utopia gives a fraction that is easily converted to minutes. I'd expect the announcement of army home to be later than in game army getting home for this reasonQuote:
Originally Posted by goodz
I have never seen the game be wrong with this. I suspect you guys screwed up the clock in your bot. In many bots you set this yourselves. Maybe whoever is hosting it had their clock fall behind or such.Quote:
Originally Posted by wingding
If you have a som where army shows home and then try to op and get 0 I would say perhaps a bug. But basing it on bot and a 1 time thing seems like most likely user error...
so goodz, if my bot tells me the second my army is home, but is in turn 15+ minutes off on an SoM my clock is off? has to be game related
What your bot says is irrelevant, his army was not home.Quote:
Originally Posted by wingding
I can confirm that this bug still exists! I've have tried twice on 2 separate provinces, referring to direct Utopia intel, not umunk.
I take intel 1 minute (0.02) before the troops come home, I actually wait 5 minutes then steal horses but my thieves return with 0. I SoM again immediately, it shows troops are home then I steal and its successful. This looks like that the Uto database is not refreshed yet until a new SoM pings it or it ticks.
This makes the war horse op very intel intensive since one must get the SoM at least 2x to ping the database.
I can confirm this as well. Army home was confirmed by acre change on province page, several minutes later (as much as 12m) trying to steal horses and got nothing. Did SoM, saw the horses, started getting gains immediately after this.
Almost a year into Hawk & Zaupers ownership and the game may actually be worse than it was in 1999.
Im impressed guys.
Yup, have replicated this myself many times. I'm quite disheartened by Bishop saying army must not have been home. This isn't the bot being 1 minute off, but sometimes 15 minutes of armies home, and gains update after a fresh som every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by RattleHead
I brought this to hawks attention today.
Let's see how long they ignore it for
There was already a post on this awhile ago that I would assume they also saw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...d-ghost-horses
That's a wild, crazy assumptionQuote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
When so many users complain at the same time, probably it's not users' fault. Why would the admin deny it every time and blame it on the bot?
Have people looked at the time stamps of the posts. :)
Because Utopia players so often submit and insist on erroneous bug reports that when they finally submit a real one, the admins are still in auto-deny mode. Too much crying wolf is the community's own fault, but also too much auto-deny complacency from admins contributes to an overall sticky situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradise
It's not "deny deny deny" as much as "innocent until proven guilty". As you said, most things posted in bugs aren't actually bugs, or at the very worst aren't terribly important things and not easily fixed. It's just a vetting process to get the devs working on actually issues that need fixed now.
What sort of treats do you get?Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Now I do lol. Wow that's wayyy back !Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
So rather than looking for relevant threads, people should just post a new thread with every query that comes to mind? What's the problem?
Okay, so you're interested in treats; if we get you some, will you finally stop being a bitter rabble-rouser?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
How is a 4 year old thread relevant and any use? Also its adds to the confusion as you can see people comment as those comments were made recently but they are 4 YEAR OLD. Thats why its much better to make a new thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by RattleHead
Because the error is described perfectly in the thread title, as well as the first post perhaps? You have nothing helpful to add, so why are you here anyways, clown.
But the error previously was deemed as unreliable report since they werent using data that was trusthworthy so seems stupid to harp Bishop for answer he gave 4 years ago that related to the user that posted 4 years ago. But thanks for your helpful posts you contributed a lot to this issues. You are really corner stone for the utopian community!Quote:
Originally Posted by RattleHead
I am not harping about answers that were given 4 years ago, haven't mentioned it, or Bishop, until this post.
I ran into a position where I was able to confirm I had a target at home through in-game measures alone, which I was unable to steal horses from until I got their SoM, several minutes after all the acres that were out with their army had been home.
Instead of make a new thread (which i have seen ppl get reamed out for duplicate threads), I was able to find a thread whose title suited my problem, as well as the OP- it even happened to be on the first page for me, because someone else had been thoughtful enough to search for the same issue (rather than just post without reading any previous bug threads) to see if they could learn about it for themselves, I presume, and updated it with their own findings. So at this point, I am supposed to start a new thread talking about the same thing?
Team Korp Utopia Police, go patrol somewhere else. So weak
Neither have I claimed you did but if you had read the thread you would known who my initial comment was directed at.
Are you the OP? As I said previously much better to create a new thread to avoid confusion as been shown in this thread so far cause people dont look at timestamps of posts.
Yes if people make multiple threads on the same issue on the same day which is dumb. Dont mean that you have go dig up a thread that is 4 years old and necro it. You seem very ego centric and think everything is about you. The one that topped the thread should have made a new thread and you could have posted to confirm the bug in that thread.
You're the one that wanted to start bickering with me you could have easily ignored my comment. But apparently your need to comment and then cry that the other party replied again is greater.
I understand where your comment was directed, and I see that Paradise was corrected in his perspective, but I still disagree with your assessment, there are 3 recent complaints of this issue which have yet to be addressed.
I don't see why a new thread needs to be made, if this bug or issue was truly resolved, as 'not real' or otherwise, shouldn't this thread be closed? Leave forum moderation to the moderators?
Why are you engaging in a discussion when you get so upset about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by RattleHead
I pose the same question to Verminator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
I get the impression therapy is required there, though.
Slow work-day I guess
I thought they were supposed to be cutting back on trolls like korp derailing every thread.
This is still a legitimate issue that needs to be addressed.
If you aren't helping contribute to resolving bugs please leave discussion to a more suitable forum
Thanks
What a typical Bishop response. Making a statement with authority rather than accepting the idea that maybe there is a bug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
You're right, what the bot says is irrelevant. But MATH is not irrelevant. I just experienced this myself - in spite of our bot. I got the SoM; about a minute later I'd done the math myself, which is an incredibly easy and accurate calculation to do that I've been using with 100% accuracy for years. Both the bot and my math showed troops home; no horses. Waited a minute for variance..still no horses. Waited for his SECOND wave of troops to come home (One was .16 and one was .24 ticks from returning on the original SoM. First army had 3600 horses, second army had 1700)....still got zero horses. I didn't even know of this bug until a kingdom mate told me about it (this is my first age as TM in years).
So I updated the SoM.
Our thieves were able to release 1,021 horses but could only bring back 510 of them.
This isn't a problem with a bot, this is a bug.