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Thank you Bernie.
If this doesn't convince the liberal left to stop ****ing around, I don't know what will.
Unfortunately the TPP is a done deal and America will be further ghettoized.
I am morbidly depressed that there are so many who are lashing out at the Bern over this, at least in the American derponet. Sigh. Doesn't Hillary remember the slogan, "It's the economy, stupid?"
I believe Hillary does remember and knows what she is doing. Bernie wrote that the wealthiest people benefit from the trade deals. Hillary gets lots of money for her campaign(s). Low income manufacturing workers do not pay for advertising but they do watch TV. Especially after they become unemployed.Quote:
Originally Posted by noobium
**** is going DOWN at the DNC. Mentions of Hillary and Kaine receiving massive boos, Barney Frank and Jim Clyburn booed on stage. The poor woman they roped into managing this circus getting frazzled and had to go off-script to get things in order.
This is gonna be a bumpy ride.
NO TPP! That's more like it.
I only saw the subway station. No Hillary supporters were in the streets. Bernie supporters were out by thousands. We also had a collection of potheads, communists, and religious freaks mixed in. Plus news and police. Fortunately it was too hot for the police to riot so things stayed fairly peaceful. I had fun in Phili. If you are in range drive in tomorrow.
Basically the DNC screwed Bernie Sanders. Figuring who cares they will vote for Hillary Clinton regardless, Because there dumb sheep that have no free will. They will do as their told.
If your side didn't keep generating fascists with a floor of 30% of the vote, we wouldn't need to engage in lesser-evil-ism. ****ing Americans voting for fascists instead of valid people.
Of course Trump has basically announced he will delegate actual governing to Pence, who in turn will delegate to the same people who managed Bush II. The RNC wouldn't tolerate Trump if he didn't agree to such terms.
Bernie delegates walked out, **** yeah but looks like no more floor drama gonna happen.
The pageantry is killing it though. Bill for first ladies' man indeed.
****in' MSNBC can't stop saying "Russia" every time the email comes up. Establishment sounding REALLY desperate to hide just how bankrupt they are, how little hold they have over the people.
Was seeing Morning Joe a couple of days ago, he was sounding really rattled over all of this too and trying to pump up Hillary. His show was implicated in the wikileaks scandal, really has to overcompensate now.
I really shouldn't poison myself by watching this garbage.
Mom is speaking in T minus 5 minutes. I stopped listening to the DNC some time yesterday.
IMO Obama's speech was not what she needed at all last night. Triumphalism isn't resonating when there are clearly things wrong with the country and where it is heading.
Hill has a chance here to acknowledge the existing crises in this country and how she is going to work to make them better. It's something she has to say if she wants to really grab the center like she wants; otherwise people are going to see through the obvious pandering for center-right voters and give no ****s. FUD about Trump has been set. She got as good a humanizing speech from First Lady Bill as anyone could have wanted.
Imma watching and hoping she doesn't screw this up.
Meh. Pretty standard, about what I expected. Not looking all that good for her.
I have a feeling this will be another Kerry run. If only the consequences weren't so dire... fml.
The big problem is money in politics and Hillary isn't going to change that because she's part of that problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by noobium
I think what your failing to realize is they think everything is great. Hillary Clinton made herself rich as Secretary of State selling favors. She even said herself they considered themselves poor when Bill left the white house and now they consider themselves well off. So yeah life is great for our politicians and Trump is a threat to that. Why do you think so many politicians hate him. Why do you think they continue to throw everything they can at him. They are terrified there free ride is over and are determined to stop him. My guess the voting box's are already rigged for Hillary to win. What happened to Bernie Sanders proves me right a outsider will never be allowed to win. Media is corrupt and biased. 95% what they say are out right lies against both Bernie and Trump. But hey where just sheep that will do as where told. If that doesn't work they will just rig the election knowing the American people are too lazy to do anything about it.
95% of the things they've thrown at Trump are just the things Trump has said himself. No one made him make fun of a disabled reporter. No one made him say the ridiculous **** about the fox lady. No one made him say anything about Mexicans. This is what happens when you spew stupid bigoted **** 24/7. It tends to get thrown back at you
1st. He never made fun of that reporter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
2nd He never said anything about legal Hispanics living in this country. He talked about illegal immigrants that includes Mexicans, Muslims, Whites and Blacks. Coming across the Mexican border.
3rd.Fox lady who's name is Megan Kelly hated Donald Trump and was very unfair to him. For instance she accused him of things he said in a T.V. show. That would be like accusing Arnold Schwarzenegger of enjoying killing people because he did it in Movies.
My point is you believed the Miss quotes and spin of a liberal media. Same Media that was encouraged by the DNC to bad mouth Bernie Sanders. Same spin saying a woman who has broken the law several times and been a complete failure at every position she has ever held is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Her name Hillary Clinton and I haven't heard one thing important or even good she has ever acomplished in public office.
Its good that we have people like that have no bias at all and can set the rest of us straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
So, what you are saying nothing that Trump supposedly said is true but everything bad the democrats did is true? Do you even read what you write? Man you're hilarious, as hilarious as your imaginary crowns. :)
I watch the actual interviews and press conferences. Not just the little 5 second clips they replay over and over again. As for bias I voted for Obama last time believing his lies. So I consider myself a independent actually. But from the way you attack me you must be a Democrat stooping to personal attacks. See I know when I am arguing with a Republican when they actually throw out facts :).Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Trump totally did mock that reporter.
Any decent person should be revolted by that behavior, but unfortunately this country doesn't consist of decent people. You have a substantial percentage of open fascists who think it's just great and keep making apologies for it.
Calling someone hilarious is a personal attack?Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
You defend Trump with tooth and nail trying to diminish what he has said and make up excuses for him. Then you make the typical "But on the other hand the Democracts they did this and that and etc"
I live in a far better country than USA. I guess by your stupid american standards I would be a commie. :)
If Trump gets elected can I come live with you korp?
First off I defend Trump because I am ready for a President who puts the USA first. Second i hate a biased media spreading complete lies. Lastly only difference between commies and democrats is commies are honest. ;). Also I am bored. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Korp
I'm voting for Gary Johnson. Him and Bill Weld together have the most executive experience than the main candidates. I'm also just an advocate for more voices to hear from ever since the Democrats and Republicans joined together to strongarm the non-partisan League of Women Voter's and took control of the presidential debates. As far as I'm concerned the two main parties have effectively monopolized political power in the US and have little incentive to produce actual candidates of substance.
@natebane
You are aware you are effectively giving half a vote to Trump, and half a vote to Hillary, right? Cause there are only 3 things you can do with the system of voting the US has - vote D, vote R, or vote .5 D and .5 R. Staying home is a way of voting half for each. Voting 3rd party is a different way of voting... half for each.
I don't like this system, I support changing this system... but this is the system you will be voting in this Nov, so choosing to put half a vote to each is how your play will work out, no matter how little we might like that. Unless you truly don't care between the two, don't waste your vote.
Of course with the strongly Red and Blue states, there is a good chance your vote for prez doesn't matter at all, in which case show up for the local/state vote, and go ahead and protest vote on prez... you didn't matter anyway. And I know how ya feel - I'm in a solid Blue state myself, so I could do almost anyway I wanted on my vote and it almost surely wouldn't matter.
That's pretty much my sentiment, although I live in Ohio a notorious battleground state. Either of the main candidates may resonate with the populace, but I refuse to partake in the blue team vs. red team mentality a lot of people have subjected themselves to. Not going to vote for douche to keep out the turd sandwich if you will, and will vote for the guy that at least shares a majority of my views. Your local and state vote are more important anyway since their legislation has the most direct impact on your life. Furthermore, I find all this extreme fear mongering a bit ridiculous though, like Trump or Hillary have sole and absolute authority on nuclear launches once obtaining title of POTUS...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethan
"That said, there's a chain of command that involves the Secretary of Defense who could refuse to relay the order (his codes —or those of the Asst. Sec. Defense in his absence— are required to launch) and then quickly call the Cabinet and Congress to report that the POTUS had gone crazy. The Cabinet can declare the President unfit in a letter to Congress.
Furthermore, there's a "must notify" part of the nuclear protocol that requires the DoD and whomever else inside the White House to notify senior leaders of the US government in the event of a nuclear launch. These leaders would include (and presumably not be limited to), Speaker of the House, President Pro Temp of the Senate, Majority/Minority Leaders of both houses of Congress, the Chairperson of the various oversight committees that are tied to war (Appropriations, Defense, Intelligence, Energy). The chain of command, that requires the Secretary of Defense and others to relay such an order is robust enough to handle such a statistically-impossible scenario of a "rogue president" ordering a launch." --Dan Holiday
You are assuming that the only effect that a vote has is an individual's election. All of the candidate's positions would need to be absolute and never effected circumstances. In practice politicians select a stance on issues that will get him/her elected. If (s)he knows some voters will jump to third party then (s)he has to adjust in order to keep those votes. There are two main party goals: selling out for donations and taking a weak centrist position that might win some "swing voters".Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethan
Without the libertarian party the republican party would drop "smaller government" switch to "limit government growth to mild exponential expansion". Your third party vote is most effective in a swing state.
A lot of big money donors donate to both candidates. The donors want access to elected officials. The candidate is valuable to them because the candidate might win the election. The act of actually casting a ballot for third party indicates a future likelihood that you will do it again. So when you vote third party you are creating an impression that will last for decades. It will determine which people get early funding, long before anyone has heard of them.
Another problem is the assumption that your individual vote is the thing that matters. Most Americans are either democrat or republican. Party is usually in line with parents and spouse. That means most American voters can be safely ignored. What does matter is your motivation to persuade others around you. Are you willing to talk to neighbors and coworkers. Are you volunteering to call people and knock on doors? Will you persuade the lazy to leave the couch and push a button polling place?
A third party vote is rarely a thoughtless vote. Many of the people who are moving to third party could have been a candidate's dedicated core support. A third party vote is a strong message to those in power or who aspire to it.
Not that I care that ex TFC team mates are stupid , but the fact they are American and don't know of the implications of their own constitution is amusing. =]
I'll explain.
In the event of there not being a collegiate victory, it gets thrown to the house.
Which is under total Republican control ( not Senate, house)
So 3rd party vote is wasted, unless 3rd party can achieve electoral college victory at Presidential level or grass roots it etc that it makes a difference . ( e.g balance of power at local level + at executive level)
Do they not teach you civics anymore?
Pro tip: To achieve a third party in the US would need a miracle.
As it would need to 1) achieve district wins enough to reach a balance and 2 ) have a president run that could stop a collegiate win.
Jeez, this ain't hard.
They actually don't teach us civics any more.
I'm starting to come around to Socialism or Barbarism.
This is accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by noobium
:p
Personal opinion is that it up to Americans.
I can't stand either Presidential candidate. In my talks with my son , we have generally looked at the supreme court choices and local issues.
There is no doubt Trump has affected Kirkpatrick vs McCain.
I've noticed. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Which is a shame as most Americans I know love their country and are very patriotic.
Which would make you think they would realise that the driver of their system is grass roots House of Representatives votes.
And the SC. Not the POTUS.
Americans also know - on some level - that Congress is almost all corrupted by money, which is why popular opinion has near-zero impact on law. The system has become ossified to the point where no one expects anything else. I know for certain I wouldn't trust any of my representatives for ****. Unfortunately the two-party system really churns out crap candidates in Michigan, at the local/state level especially. This place is a goddamned wasteland politically, even by US standards - kinda expected when the state is literally run like a dictatorship.
When I did take civics I don't think the EC tie came up, or I forgot that part. Then again I was in a school for ****ed up people so it's not like we were expected to learn anything.
Am I the only one who is leery about Hillary's "Stronger Together" slogan? It smacks of Project Fear v2.0... good way to squander an election.
Meh. Her biggest pro is that she isn't Trump so as long as she doesn't start making her slogan "Make America Great Again" I think she'll be ok
Basically.
Quite a few of my extended Hispanic family are just like.
"F*** Trump. Never. Ever"
I don't think many of us whitey college peeps realise just how despised Trump is amongst Hispanics and Afro Americans generally.
"She's **** but she isn't that Trump retard who doesn't have a clue"
Is a frequent conversation among them
Interestingly my parents (Welsh/Scots Irish ) who voted Brexit actually really like him. (Particularly my mother who has very interesting views on free trade and protectionist policies like him)
I get that hispanics and blacks absolutely loathe Trump, but there's one big snag - turnout. Old white people show up in droves. Hopefully this year will see minority turnout increase but I could see a nightmare scenario where Johnson voters switch en masse to Trump and Clinton's national polling lead evaporates.
I should take another look at state-by-state polling and see where Trump can pick up states that pundits won't believe. Very possible MI will flip red, the stupidity is strong here.
I get what you mean , noobium.
I think the Trump vote is stronger amongst whites than the polls show.
I also think the loathing of him is higher amongst the minority vote.
All of my Hispanic relatives who would have voted McCain for instance are "No. Not Trump. Not ever"
All of my "Brexit " voting older relatives are like "He has to be elected. He is talking truth"
It is kinda weird , but I don't see how Trump can win without ANY minority penetrative opinions as he is despised by 30% of the electorate
Demographics show that there just isn't enough white older/non educated voters for him to win.
There was enough white /older voters for "Brexit".
If "Brexit" scraped home on 51.9% on a 91% Caucasian populace that trends older than the US...I don't see how Trump can?
Younger populace. More racial spread. Higher education in the US than the UK. It trends bad for Trump.
I think he will smash the Caucasian vote and polling underates him. With the Dem electoral college advantages, I don't see how he wins even with the rust belt. Imo
With Trump flipping MI (possible but unlikely with current polling), OH (likely because polls underrate Trump), and FL (possible) and the Romney/Obama 2012 map otherwise, the EC is tied 269-269. I don't think PA or WI would flip republican. Don't know of other states likely to flip (maybe IA? very white state). Holding Romney's red states is the big if due to Trump being an assclown, but there are lots - lots - of people sick and tired of Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by makeo
Flipping those three though is something I see as very possible. I can never have faith in Michiganians to do anything right, because Michigan sucks.