Ok i returned to utopia last week and started a new province in a kindoms that was crazy ( theam) as far as i know i had 700 acrhs of land and a decent defence, when i tryed to log in today it presents me with the option to create a new province. as far as i know when you are beaten to a pulp and lose your province you at least get a message saying so. if this is not the case then i guess i can take into account that i got beaten to a pulp but for the province to just disapear with out any notice seems strange