I joined ed actually primarily because verm/realest had always liked them when we were friendly with them when I played in heretics. One age when bio+2 friends (I think force and remains) decided to gangbang us ed made the 2 allies stop after a few waves. Naturally we then farmed bio and raze killed a bunch of them:)
I was sad to find out that verm/chandler had retired 2 ages ago or such