Q for Emeriti - Is it cool to raze into EoW if you want a CF

[Elit]

I wil helpl settle old AMA and Simians scores from 5 ages ago with my new ghetto if no AMA or Simians grudges get brought up in the first 10 pages of this thread, we need to FOCUS on this simple question:

For as long as I have known no top kingdom has engaged another top kingdom in end of war: Does Emeriti condone this if its needed to gain an advantage?

You bring Simians first if now Anri come dont blame me :P

I dont know why you ask stupid questions Emerity. I told you why they do it= because they can make it and get free run. You know ABS good enough to be surprised.

elit seriously though:

Both of our kingdoms did each other wrong, over a number of ages. I apologized for a lot of it. Did you?

If you are sincery about apologize for what you did 3 ages ago together with Pew Pew i will accept it and let it go for Jerks.
For Pew Pew wont let it go for sure. ASF is way to guilty for so many BS he did...

[KuhaN]

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[Squee311]

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why you so late

[KuhaN]

Also, in before propro and bunch of other people jump into this thread talking about old **** noone cares about.

Looks like it's gon be a good thread boys.

[KuhaN]

why you so late

funnnnnnnnnnn

[DoOrDie]

For those not following:

1) Emeriti asks us for CF. We are the #1 and #2 kingdoms.
2) We say we want a short CF because we are clerics. They want a long CF because they are sages.
3) 5 hours later a curious ghetto who "hasn't played for 30 ages" but has the #1 province sends 6 razes our way unprovoked approximately 24 hours into our 4 days EoW.
4) Both Emeriti and this kd that hits us wants a CF from us, which we now have to give.

We're told that this curious kingdom has ties to Emeriti. they have since intra-razed their land so we can't gain any land back, and we've since been forced to CF emeriti, presumably taking out their only threat to an easy age win.

Hi, I was the #1 province that ordered the razings. Here is a few things that flogger lefted out.

1) My kingdom is a ghetto that just wanted to be lefted alone and wasn't looking at trouble.
2) BB wins their 1st war, putting them from 15k to ~22k acres on may 19th. Their biggest provinces are ~1k acres. (At that time, my kingdom had 1 2.5k acres, 1 1.9k and 1 1.6)
3) Between june 9th and july7th, during their post-war cf, they used their pool and did put several provinces to 1.5k-2k acres becoming real threats to my kingdom. They also did it while running 10k defense. (New kingdom size around 33k acres)
4) At July 6th, I ingamed monarch and steward of BB about getting a cf since they were putting big provinces maybe to hit us down. Steward reads my message but doesn't answer.
5) At the start of July 10th, I ingamed 3 more provinces of BB that were online to tell them to get their leaders online to talk to me. They read but ignored my messages too.
6) In the world of utopia, when someone gets into a position to farm you and ignores your attemps at diplomacy, it usually means they are coming at you. Knowing post-war is so strong and the time was limited, we had to get their attention so at the very end of July 10th-start of july11th, we sent 5 razes into them for a total of 380 acres (1.3% of their total acres)
7) Around 20 minutes later, Flogger shows up and I tried to do diplo with him but the discussion was mainly: "This is our non-crowning age, you hit into post-war, you will die."
8) Protector got online later and we tried to do some diplomacy. He told me they explored to go at the #1 kingdom and that they would be waiting for them the moment they got out of post-war, making it difficult to do any deal. I offered the acres we razed back + bonus acres + gold but was turned down (no amount was discussed but I was willing to be very generous considering we did hit into post-war). I also proposed a scenario under which we would be hostile with eachother until they could go to fortified and get full protection (and train for #1 kingdom) then we could cf. Got turned down again. I then told him to make me an offer he would judge acceptable and was asked to give them a war. Considering that would be a total farmwar, I turned that offer down but offered again ressources. Protector had to go and it was 4am, so the discussion ended.
9) Since BB wasn't interested in settling this down and told me they were going to destroy us, I used my province to raze 4x more time (avoiding giving button) in the next 48h.
10) Once they were training up and were close to break me, I got myself intraed.


Short version: Thought BB were coming for us (apparently they were not), we threw some hits into them to get them in the diplo's table with the intention of giving everything back + bonus but they wanted to destroy us instead. All of this had nothing to do with #1 kingdom but everything to do to try to protect my overgrown ghetto (I even proposed a deal that would be advantageous for BB and let them prepare to war #1 kingdom)

[Darklove]

DoOrDie why not post under your real nick here ? Why make this new fake one ?

[protector]

...

First off, we know who you are. You might as well reveal your real identity yourself.

I received a message from you on July 6th YR0 (23.40 gametime to be exact, 0.40 local time for me). On July 10th, razes started.
This was just around the time you PMed me on IRC, in which you could clearly see I live in the Netherlands and had been idle as I was asleep.
Claiming someone that's sleeping is ignoring your diplomacy attempt is nonsense.
Furthermore, claiming our 2k provinces where a threat to yours whilst they just burnt their resources exploring and weren't even finished exploring and repopping yet, is nonsense. It would have taken well over 72 hours before they could possibly pose a threat, in that timeframe you could have pushed yourself over 3k fairly easily and be out of range.

If all of the above were true, you would have waited longer than 4 hours before starting with razing.

[Elit]

DoOrDie why not post under your real nick here ? Why make this new fake one ?

Based on how long is post its look like ASF :)

[DoOrDie]

Rumor has it you guys know the guys who are razing into our postwar right around the time we were talking about a ceasefire, so the question has to be asked..... Are you of the belief its cool to hit someone in their end of war if you want to force a ceasefire on them? It hasn't been done in about 15-20 ages as far as I know at the top level (and I'd know, I've played most all of them) so it'd be kind of a new #hottake.

Not saying what we did is ok since we intended to give back what we took + compensation, but in the last 15-20 ages, has any other kingdoms explored +50% land of their kingdom using post-war? While running 5dpa? While not having cf in place with the kingdoms they will become a threat? While ignoring their attemps at diplomacy?

[protector]

Not saying what we did is ok since we intended to give back what we took + compensation, but in the last 15-20 ages, has any other kingdoms explored +50% land of their kingdom using post-war? While running 5dpa? While not having cf in place with the kingdoms they will become a threat? While ignoring their attemps at diplomacy?

If you waited 12 or even 24 hours and THEN complain about "ignoring attempts at diplomacy" you'd have a point, but you didn't.
Don't try and compare other situations with this one when they're clearly not identical.

Last age Divinity explored in EOWCF early age after they won their OOP war. We fought them after their EOWCF. We didn't hit them into EOWCF either.

[DoOrDie]

First off, we know who you are. You might as well reveal your real identity yourself.

I received a message from you on July 6th YR0 (23.40 gametime to be exact, 0.40 local time for me). On July 10th, razes started.
This was just around the time you PMed me on IRC, in which you could clearly see I live in the Netherlands and had been idle as I was asleep.
Claiming someone that's sleeping is ignoring your diplomacy attempt is nonsense.
Furthermore, claiming our 2k provinces where a threat to yours whilst they just burnt their resources exploring and weren't even finished exploring and repopping yet, is nonsense. It would have taken well over 72 hours before they could possibly pose a threat, in that timeframe you could have pushed yourself over 3k fairly easily and be out of range.

If all of the above were true, you would have waited longer than 4 hours before starting with razing.

1) Your steward reads my message and ignored it. 3 of your online provinces also ignored my messages. That's what I call ignoring diplomacy.
2) They weren't a threat yet, but once they trained up, they would have been. In the short term, I've could had put myself out of nw range, but eventually, you would have eaten me. And I'm not even speaking about the two other provinces you would have eaten in the short term.
3) Post-war is op and you can train lots of troops fast. Had to get yourself to the diplo table while you were weak.

So yeah, you can think there was some kind of conspiracy, but there aren't. Thought you were coming for us and we took actions. When you told me you were trying to fight #1 kingdom, I offered a deal that would allow you to do that and you turned it down without even trying to make a counter offer (except a farmwar) while I made pretty clear I was willing to make the situation right.

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

1) Your steward reads my message and ignored it. 3 of your online provinces also ignored my messages. That's what I call ignoring diplomacy.
2) They weren't a threat yet, but once they trained up, they would have been. In the short term, I've could had put myself out of nw range, but eventually, you would have eaten me. And I'm not even speaking about the two other provinces you would have eaten in the short term.
3) Post-war is op and you can train lots of troops fast. Had to get yourself to the diplo table while you were weak.

So yeah, you can think there was some kind of conspiracy, but there aren't. Thought you were coming for us and we took actions. When you told me you were trying to fight #1 kingdom, I offered a deal that would allow you to do that and you turned it down without even trying to make a counter offer (except a farmwar) while I made pretty clear I was willing to make the situation right.

wtf are you talking about? it was never ok to hit into eowcf because 'they refused diplo' or whatever petty reason.. why would you think it was ok this time? if emeriti is also involved in this as hinted by flogger, this smells pretty bad..

[protector]

1) Your steward reads my message and ignored it. 3 of your online provinces also ignored my messages. That's what I call ignoring diplomacy.
2) They weren't a threat yet, but once they trained up, they would have been. In the short term, I've could had put myself out of nw range, but eventually, you would have eaten me. And I'm not even speaking about the two other provinces you would have eaten in the short term.
3) Post-war is op and you can train lots of troops fast. Had to get yourself to the diplo table while you were weak.

So yeah, you can think there was some kind of conspiracy, but there aren't. Thought you were coming for us and we took actions. When you told me you were trying to fight #1 kingdom, I offered a deal that would allow you to do that and you turned it down without even trying to make a counter offer (except a farmwar) while I made pretty clear I was willing to make the situation right.

My steward read the message an hour before you started your hits. He had other business to attend (he's a fresh father) so he didn't bother instantly responding (WHY WOULD HE? We're in frigging EOWCF). This is VERY typical thing, something you are well aware of.
You had plenty of time to wait and still be able to raze. It's not like we magically add 40k defense to provinces in 12 hours just after they explored and are repopping in EOWCF with no resources and bad TBs.

If we'd be coming for you, why on earth would we explore our 500 acre guys up?

[scheffie]

wtf are you talking about? it was never ok to hit into eowcf because 'they refused diplo' or whatever petty reason.. why would you think it was ok this time? if emeriti is also involved in this as hinted by flogger, this smells pretty bad..

Fully agree! Awfull move and seeing your skills in writing and thinking here no way u are a ghetto. A kd normally has a free rest time during eowcf. Razing into that is just pathetic .. if emiriti is involved i hope community takes actions against this false play.