It seems to me that there are a few fundamental questions in this thread. I'll give my thoughts on them one by one.
The terms of the deal between goodz and elit state that notice cannot be given during eowcf, or when hostile with another kingdom. It seems to me that given they knew that the notice was to be given immediately oow, and the notice was sent ingame at the hc turn, that the notice would be legitimate even if Sanc had waved Elit (though this would have been incredibly lame), because when notice was given there were no hostilities.Was the notice legitimate?
In my mind, there is no question that the notice was legitimate.
I think Elit is in a bad place here, actually. If stealing creates a hostile situation, then Elit's targetsharing Havoc's 0 thief cows in these forums created a multi-declare situation against Havoc. If stealing does not create a hostile situation, then Elit chose to wave Sanc to run from Havoc's notice.The random stuff about stealing
I don't see anything wrong with Sanc stealing money from AMA. Plenty of kds have stolen money from eachother in the top to help themselves. There's no difference when it's Sanc doing it to AMA as opposed to SPGC doing it a Havoc.
From what I've seen in the forums, I would say probably. That said, while no one has the same definition, at some point if kds stop retalling/etc, things generally stop being considered a hostile. I'd have to see a full CE to say more definitively.Is it a hostile?
That said; Elit's demands for a CF are pretty substantial, and require the involvement of more than just Sanc. I wonder about the legitimacy of someone using one kd as a shield to get a deal with a second kd, while claiming they're hostile with the first so the second can't do anything to them.
Goodz did offer to reset notice with Elit if they CF'd Sanc, based on posts earlier in the thread.
I would agree with Elit that Jdorje probably put Havoc in a bad place. I would also say that Elit put AMA in a bad place with his actions as well.
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