Israel, it's about time!

[Mourhelm]

Of course Israel has an army. And it is equipped with the finest weapons by the US and other sympathizers. That's my point. The Palestinians are outgunned.

You don't make much sense. Are you saying that if someone comes to stab you with a knife and the police officer next to you only has a gun he should do nothing because the stabber is out gunned?

Israeli citizens are being stabbed with a knife by the Hamas, so the Israeli army responds with its gun.

Why does Israel merit state of the art weapons and Palestine doesn't? Doesn't Palestine have a right to defend itself?

The Palestinians has every right to defend themselves!

Sadly they choose to do so by attacking civilian targets instead of military ones.

FYI, Israel removed all the Jewish Israeli citizens out of the Gaza strip a while ago. At the moment, if there are any Israeli citizens there, they are soldiers or reporters.

And what are the armies of free countries defending themselves from? Oh, I know. From people taking over their land, which is exactly what Israel has done. Taken over Palestinian territory.

If you think that what the UN gave to the Jewish is Palestinian territory, then we will never agree and we can close the discussion now.

But for argument's sake, even if it is Palestinian territory and Israel has no right to exist. Why attack civilian targets and not military ones? Our army is what causes the damage, not our children.

Also, armies of free countries defend against other nations hurting them, not only the ones taking their lands.

If your country was being bombarded with rockets on civilian targets, will you keep your army home because no one is taking your land?

USA used nukes. They were fully aware of the consequences, yet they went through with it. They hit two cities in three days. They have no right to be the nuclear conscience of the free world. Specially since they are displaying double standards. And if Israel was so honest, it would at least admit that it has nukes.

National security and honesty has nothing to do with each other. I don't know for certainty that we have nukes (although I do believe that).

The fact that the world doesn't breath down our neck because of the nukes is that we don't threaten anyone with it.

Iran has made it clear that they want to use nuclear technology for civilian purposes. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is an idiot, who doesn't know which is his head and which is his behind, and you shouldn't really pay attention to him. The Islamic leaders have said that they will not produce, stockpile or use nukes.

The reason that the world is afraid of Iran and other Arab countries that want to get nukes is because of world terrorism.

As I said before, Islamic extremist value death more than life. If they are suicide bombing they might as well use nukes.

That craziness is what makes people take Mahmoud Ahmadinejad seriously.

Besides, even if they do get it eventually, it'll probably be used to gain strategic advantage that only Israel has right now. Face it, Israel doesn't want Iran to have the nukes, not because they'll use it, but because Israel will lose it's nuclear monopoly and won't be able to strut around like they are the Lords of the Middle East.

1. Our army is superior enough that we don't need our nukes to make our enemies think twice before they try anything.
2. We are hardly the lords of the middle east.

Of course, Israel has always stuck to military targets. Even when they conducted genocide in refugee camps. They even shelled the peacekeepers camp in Lebanon which was full of civilians. Remember that? Guess not.

I do remember that. Even good weapons miss sometimes, and even good intelligence is wrong sometimes.

Save your breath of saying it wasn't accidental. As I said in my previous post, everyone will believe what they want anyways.

Also, I wasn't there to see the intelligence and the aiming to tell you in 100% confidence that it was a mistake.

IIRC, Israel stopped the operation because of that incident.

Btw, the Irish killed civilians as well. No suicide bombings, of course. But there were bombings. And it's not only extremely eastern countries that employ suiciding. And it isn't a extreme eastern tactic. It was just as common in the West as the East, though the Japanese were the first to use it in a large scale.

I would love to get examples of western countries who used suicide bombings or any other form of suicide attacks.

About the Irish. Even if they did kill civilians sometimes, it wasn't their main target.

Who the hell gave UN the right to give Israel a part of Palestine? And why should the Palestinians allow it anyway?

First good point you make. The UN is a crappy organization that could have done a better job. Most of the world suffer because of the UN's incompetent.

As I see it, the UN got the right to do things in the world from the viewpoint that the world should be democratic and bla bla bla... They had a vote and decided to accept the split.

Think the Americans would've been thrilled if Texas had been handed over? It would've been a much better solution, no? After all, Americans love Israel, right?

As in anyplace in the world, you have all sort of opinions.

In Israel, some call to make more settlements and some say to destroy the settlements. Democracy is a *****...

In the USA you've got Nazis and KKK.

Anywhere in the world some people like (or doesn't care) about the Jewish in their country or about Israel. Some people hate the Jewish and/or Israel.

Making generalizations is stupid. I'm sure not all Palestinians are for the bombarding of Israel with suicide bombers and rocket, just like not all Israelis support the building of settlements or the current military action.

Mourhelm: "If Israel would bomb everything and everyone we would have a solution for the Gaza problem real fast. Gaza is a small enough area to just bomb it all with artillery and air strikes and remove it completely from the map in six hours."

If they could get away with it, they would.

While SOME would, most wouldn't. You are making generalizations again. It's wrong and you know it, but it makes it easier for you to hate Israel.

The fact that they target civilians is the reason I do not support Hamas. But Israel also targets civilians, so I don't support them either. I've already told you that I don't support terrorism.

We don't target civilians and our army doesn't hide within civilian population.

If Hamas would take their civilians away from the fighting, you will see very few civilian casualties on their side (no one can guarantee 0 civilian casualties).

Yes, as long as there are extremists, the conflict will continue. One side is defending something that is illegal, and the other side is taking all the wrong paths to administer justice. This does not mean there aren't good guys on both sides. And it is a ridiculous waste of human life.

I agree with you that there are good guys on both sides and that it is ridiculous to waste human life. Explain that to the suicide bombers.

Like I said, the fault lies with the Brits and the Allied powers.

OK, we agree it's their fault. What can we do about it?

PS There are plenty of links for the palestinian cause too, I'm sure.

I'm sure you are right. But at least Israel takes actions against people who are being overly cruel and Israel doesn't manipulate the world media.