Originally Posted by _greenie
It was not a double hostile. :) The hostile was over. Tagging hostile doesn't make you hostile. :)
It was not a double hostile. :) The hostile was over. Tagging hostile doesn't make you hostile. :)
ABS vs Rangers
Just cause I know everyone has a different views on this, in fact have had spme very interesting discussions with both my monarchs, realest, and I think zauper at one point in time as well... How do you decide when a hostile is "over"?
Last edited by _greenie; 18-09-2009 at 10:14.
Deliverance -> secrets -> anzac -> mercy -> rage -> "ghetto"
Dopefiends double hostiles people.
This is something being discussed on:
4(1) Active Hostile: Two kingdoms exchaning hits (5 hits from both side the current day.
12(2) Active Hostile: Hostile ends when one part ceases attacks and offers cease fire.
4(3) Active Hostile: If kingdom A waves Kingdom B and the aggressor runs to FW; then they are free to hit after 2 hours if the waved kingdom announce they will not hit into FW
12(4) Interference It should be kept strictly 1 vs 1.
4(5) Crystal Eye: Make sure you take a CE and judge if it is a legal target or not. If you believe you need to approach the kingdoms to find out if it is active or not then do so.
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7End Of Hostile: 8 hours after the waving kingdom has waved (50% or more of the kingdom has attacked) the hostile is over; if the waved kingdom has not retaled.
12End Of Hostile: 2 hours after the waving kingdom has waved (50% or more of the kingdom has attacked) and run to FW to protect the grabbed acres the hostile is over;if the waved kingdom has not retaled.
ABS vs Rangers
Its a good thing someone clarified that.
so... by your logic the following are perfectly valid
SENARIO 1
KD A waves KD B on 1st of month
KD B sends CF offer on the 2nd
KD A accepts of the 2nd
KD C waves KD A (mainly) or KD B (unlikely) on the 3rd-5th of month
SENARIO 2
assume KD C waves KD A (as above) on the 3rd
there is then ~9+ hours of nothing left for either kd to do really...
so, because neither kd is exchanging hits
if KD A then decides it wants to declare on KD C, there is ample opportunity for KD D to come in and wave either KD A or C before either of them gets army home
SENARIO 3
according to you, ninja waves, 5 mins before month change, mean a hostile isnt going on =)
Deliverance -> secrets -> anzac -> mercy -> rage -> "ghetto"
It seems a lot of things are valid according to stoffi.
We waved a kingdom a couple days ago. They retaled once, sent a CF, then started a dragon and sent a couple more retals. We kept kitting, a few hours later they started hitting again. So they forgot to withdraw their CF. **** happens. Now dopefiends comes in during the middle of this, and waves our KD.
But thats ok right....
You guys are funny, you have your own rules for everything.
That is correct, except Scenario 3.
You forget some things in Scenario 3.
12(2) Active Hostile: Hostile ends when one part ceases attacks and offers cease fire.
7End Of Hostile: 8 hours after the waving kingdom has waved (50% or more of the kingdom has attacked) the hostile is over; if the waved kingdom has not retaled.
Both of those make Scenario 3 impossible.
Scenario 1:
Perhaps you would care to explain to me how it is possible to have an active hostile with a kd you CF'ed with? It is not possible and it is not a hostile. Armies out is not the same as hostile.
Scenario 2:
Correct. Hell, they could declare 10 days later if enough hits were made. Would you have ppl wait 10 days before they wave because it is an "active hostile"?
ABS vs Rangers
S1: so, according to you stoffi, say we wave one hall kd that doesn't retal us and sends cf. It is perfectly valid for 2nd hall kd to wave us one minute after cf was sent, even if our wave is not done (i said hall, but it can be abs or w/e u like, I really don't like that KD ABC thing as it confuses me :p). So, we send cf to that 2nd kd and we get waved by 3rd kd. Perfectly valid according to you, as hostile stops when one side sends cf.
S2: we wave one hall kd, they send cf. 2nd hall kd waves us, we want to declare them, but our armies are not home so we wait. 8 hours pass w/o exchanging hits as both kd troops are still out, so it is valid for 3rd hall kd to wave us hour be4 we declare..
Fix your logic plz
Last edited by MorbidAngel; 19-09-2009 at 17:00. Reason: fixed typo
OLDSCHOOL
Inferno of AbsalomThe Gay
I suggest you learn to read before you start whining.
No, it's not okay if you read those guidelines a little better. The only person saying it's okay, is you. I would not say it is okay and if you would care to read what I posted, it's very much NOT okay.
It's okay that ppl don't understand english very well, but you are american I am guessing.
ABS vs Rangers
Scenario 1:
It's not an active hostile and you are free for all to grab.
Scenario 2:
In theory, yes. You say your armies are home, I am assuming you mean out.
Scenario 2 is something I would not approve of. You can't follow the rules blindly.
but how can another kd know if it's an active hostile or not? How can ppl know if you are declaring or not? You might aswell have agreed with the other kd not to hit them, how can other kds know this? They CE you, and can't know what you are thinking.
This is shady territory. Since HaLL kds would talk together, Scenario 2 would never happen. It's not realistic.
However, if you exchange that 3rd kd with some other kd, like ABS or sinners or whatever, they could in theory wave.
But what are the odds of a kd planning to wave you on the exact date you CF another kd, and then another kd waving you exactly 9 hours after you waved AND got waved?
This is not a realistic scenario.
Scenario 1 however, is perfectly fine in my book. Though very few kds could produce a full wave within 30 minutes.
ABS vs Rangers
yah, typo. Wanted to say not home :)
okay, let's go back to S1:
rage waves sanc, sanc takes it in the ass and sends cf. doa waves sanc, sanc takes it again and sends cf to doa too.. Rage never accepts cf and waves again. A perfectly valid gangbang :)
OLDSCHOOL
Inferno of AbsalomThe Gay
Well, if both waving kds are in the same group, it's kinda suspicious ofc.
But it would make it a double hostile if both wave back.
What if aliens land in utopia and kill omac? Who would wave them back? I mean, it's an active hostile!
ABS vs Rangers
So... in the end what the hell does this matter?
Fake war is fake war. If someone wants to hit into it then so what?
Stop making this **** up, no one gives a **** ;)
“Be Who You Are and Say What You Feel Because Those Who Mind Don't Matter and Those Who Matter Don't Mind.”
so, the week long hostile we had with snowflake last age... where we only did hits on the 24th of the month, cause meter was maxed, that doesnt count as an "active hostile" for most of the time?
btw, we often managed 20+ hits in the 5 mins before month change =)
Deliverance -> secrets -> anzac -> mercy -> rage -> "ghetto"
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