Quote Originally Posted by Hallo View Post
And I'm happy you brought "the military" in... because they are, actually, fascists (well, "controlled" fascism... they're conditioned only to a certain point).

One of the interesting things about fascism is there IS no "chain of command." Seriously.
Right there. That shows you have no idea what you're talking about.

Obviously I raised the point about the military because it is a fascist system. You'll also note that fascism is the most efficient and effective system. Notwithstanding discontent, fascism is also the only system the military could possibly effectively operate under. Similarly in Utopia, kingdoms must necessarily be fascist. So if you can't see that, there's nothing more to say.

In the military, you don't disobey your CO, not because you fear the repercussions, but because you know that there is no other way. There must only be one plan. Similarly in a kingdom, I may want to run 0 thieves, or 120 DPA, but if my leadership tells me to run 20 DPA and 2 tpa I do it. Why? Because if I don't, there won't be a cohesive plan, and that'll create a point of weakness which the enemy kingdom can exploit. If I want to run prop ops for honour while my leadership gives me a nightstrike target, running my prop ops anyway would be irresponsible, selfish, and ergo morally wrong. If my leadership tells the kingdom to chain the monarch and I want to max gain, I do what the leadership says regardless. That is the only way a kingdom in Utopia can function effectively, and that is the only way the military can function effectively.

You bring up examples of defection, which is not in the general aim of the military, and thus your example is irrelevant. Notice how in my first post, I said it was morally wrong. By subverting orders, you threaten every man in your platoon, every man in your kingdom, when in fact there is a much easier way to resolve differences, in a way that no one would come to further harm.

I welcome dissent. Dissent is integral for the leadership to form a solid plan, generally with popular support. But when the leadership makes a decision, I expect everyone to sit down, shut up, and do as told. As I've shown above, there can be no other way.