Lower kd sizes

[Luc]

The ideal is to have both. But if you have to choose, quantity is what makes the game go around economically. If you don't have some quantity, you can't have quality either, unless someone is willing to pay for you to be able to play.

[Palem]

Oh, sorry I thought the idea was to bring more people into the game not making even more people quit. I think 300 more people quitting would quite hurt the game atm.

You said it yourself...

Utopia is like a terminally ill patient, its beyond saving and Utopia know its going to die. So isn it better to enjoy it while it last and not clinge to a naive hope that it will be cured some day.

I think having 2k+ people enjoying the game would be better than having 300 or so enjoy it. At least if you follow that defeatist attitude, which I don't.

Thats retarded, quality always beat quantity.

Ever heard of Walmart? There's a reason it's a multi-billion dollar company and it's not because of the great quality that they supply.

Although Korp does bring a nice point to light. The top would have the game die than try to save this one. For the record, Battlefields is no excuse to just to throw Utopia to the dogs and enjoy the ride. Some of us are still trying to save it.

[Korp]

I think having 2k+ people enjoying the game would be better than having 300 or so enjoy it. At least if you follow that defeatist attitude, which I don't.

Yet you are one of those that believe those terminally ill patients will be saved cause of some naive hope in God or whatever.

Ever heard of Walmart? There's a reason it's a multi-billion dollar company and it's not because of the great quality that they supply.

Yea, it proves that people are idiots, but its america so go figure. Just cause a bunch of people chose quanityt over quality dont make quantity better. Its like saying MacDonalds is better than a 5 michellin restaurant cause more people eat at MacDonalds.

Some of us are still trying to save it.

Some people are convinced that the world is ruled by lizardmen, doesnt mean its a viable theory or possible even.

[Thunder TA]

Good,then explain how dropping kingdoms sizes and forcing some people out of their kingdoms who will quit will magically make all these new people join who are not joining now and havent in years since the promises were not kept ? How will that make new people find a game that isnt advertised or even on Jolts forums thats been in Beta or Alpha whatever its in for 2 + years run smoother.How will that make people join and stay in a game that has part time Devs who sadly made most of the situation money wise they are in now by their own code.
A game that works makes money.A game that makes money can advertise making more.Devs who spend enough time to fix bugs makes players happy.Devs who know how to properly code dont make new bugs trying to fix previous mistakes over and over again and wouldnt have a bugs list from a year ago still not corrected.

Dropping to 20 people per kingdom isnt going to fix or save utopia.The game being ran right and having people doing it on a full time basis and not making excuses for bad codes will bring back players once they see its not another promise not being kept.

[Palem]

Yet you are one of those that believe those terminally ill patients will be saved cause of some naive hope in God or whatever.

Did you really just assume not only my spiritually beliefs but my personal opinions on euthanasia based off my drive to want to do actually do something to help save this game? Putting aside the fact that I said nothing concerning the two, go ahead and stop trying to derail the thread, or whatever the hell you were trying to do.

Yea, it proves that people are idiots, but its america so go figure. Just cause a bunch of people chose quanityt over quality dont make quantity better. Its like saying MacDonalds is better than a 5 michellin restaurant cause more people eat at MacDonalds.

Yep. People are idiots. We've known that since people started hanging out. But success speaks pretty loudly.

Some people are convinced that the world is ruled by lizardmen, doesnt mean its a viable theory or possible even.

That's true, some people actually think you're worth talking to...
If you'd like to get back on point that'd be great.

Dropping to 20 people per kingdom isnt going to fix or save utopia.The game being ran right and having people doing it on a full time basis and not making excuses for bad codes will bring back players once they see its not another promise not being kept.

Are you illiterate or just that ignorant as to not get the point yet?! Let me spell it out again...

THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION TO SAVE UTOPIA!
THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION TO SAVE UTOPIA!
THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION TO SAVE UTOPIA!
THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION TO SAVE UTOPIA!
THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION TO SAVE UTOPIA!

You got it yet? No? Well let me try it again.
THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION TO SAVE UTOPIA!
THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION TO SAVE UTOPIA!
THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION TO SAVE UTOPIA!
THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION TO SAVE UTOPIA!
THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION TO SAVE UTOPIA!

If one more person asks how this is supposed to save utopia, or eludes that this suggestion is intended to save Utopia, I'm reporting you for trolling.

[Thunder TA]

report then idiot. whats the point in making even more kingdoms if it isnt for trying to help the game or is your idea of lowering kd numbers just so you can feel like your able to compete because the higher kingdoms are down 5 people and not as big.

how damned goofy can you actually be.not anything you have said will bring any more people to the game. until you figure out whats the problem you will never have a clue and will be like most of the trolls here. just posting more BS for responses.

[Korp]

But success speaks pretty loudly.

What does sucess have to do with quality beats quantity? Is MacDonalds more sucessfull than Gordon Ramsey cause MacDonalds has more restaurants? I dont see anything that you wrote now or your previous post that goes against what i said.

That's true, some people actually think you're worth talking to.

People that cant argue usually attacks the person instead, are you one of those people?

If you'd like to get back on point that'd be great.

There was a point, just cause you believe you can save it dont mean its possible to save it. You can hope all you want but in the end its not going to happend as well as David Icke never will find those spacelizards.

I'm reporting you for trolling.

Its cute that you are reporting someone after you spammed. Pasting one line again and again wont help anything, it doesnt make things better it just makes people more annoyed instead.

[Luc]

Good,then explain how dropping kingdoms sizes and forcing some people out of their kingdoms who will quit will magically make all these new people join who are not joining now and havent in years since the promises were not kept ? How will that make new people find a game that isnt advertised or even on Jolts forums thats been in Beta or Alpha whatever its in for 2 + years run smoother.How will that make people join and stay in a game that has part time Devs who sadly made most of the situation money wise they are in now by their own code.

Who said players would magically appear? I personally think you can get some people to return to the game if you make it easier for them to play together and be competitive. I also think it will be easier to recruit friends who aren't playing for the same reason. I also think it would be easier to keep new players after advertising if the kd's aren't too big.

A game that works makes money.A game that makes money can advertise making more.Devs who spend enough time to fix bugs makes players happy.Devs who know how to properly code dont make new bugs trying to fix previous mistakes over and over again and wouldnt have a bugs list from a year ago still not corrected.

What a bunch of BS. Whether a game makes money or not depends on a lot of things, not only if it works. Utopia only has a few income streams (ads ingame and ppl who buy credits). That really isn't a lot by today's standards, especially now that lots of people use ad blockers and ads are everywhere, so you don't get paid as much anymore.

Bugs are not being fixed because the game doesn't make the devs any money. They had to work on other stuff to actually get paid so they don't have to live on saved money.

Dropping to 20 people per kingdom isnt going to fix or save utopia.The game being ran right and having people doing it on a full time basis and not making excuses for bad codes will bring back players once they see its not another promise not being kept.

The game isn't bringing in any money, so the devs can't spend a lot of time on it. Also, there are few dealbreaking bugs left in the game, and even if they get fixed, we're not gonna get any new players because of it. What we need is to stop people from leaving (which is not being done by just claiming things are fine the way they are) and make the game attractive to new players, and then advertise. Since the devs can't spend a lot of time and effort on the game, we're looking for simple measures. The idea behind lowering kd sizes is to create more excitement to stop people from leaving, and to provide an environment better suited for keeping new players. That's not gonna be sufficient on it's own, and nobody claimed it was the ultimate solution to everything. Other things that need to be done is a good newbie guide for example, but I don't see anyone actually working on that. The devs won't be writing such a guide any time soon, so it's not gonna appear unless players write it (or attempt to make the wiki better).

1. People are saying we don't have enough good leaders in the game. The only way to fix this is to make it easier to build kd's, and to encourage people who have played under good leaders to break out on their own. Or we make it easier for the almost good leaders to compete, so they can learn and get better at their jobs. Does 25 player kd's help with any of that? NO.
2. This is a social game, and the only way we're gonna be able to keep any new players is to get them into the community fast, and that's not likely to happen unless they can play with their friends. Again it needs to be easy to play with friends, and build your own kd. A newbie guide is also needed, as well as any changes we can come up with that makes the game easy to learn (without making it easy to master). Does 25 player kd's help with this? NO.
3. People are leaving out of boredom, since the game is merely repeated age after age. You fight the same kd's over and over, and it's boring to no end. The solution to that is to help kd's compete with kd's they couldn't compete with before. Having a full kd is one step towards that solution. Does 25 player kd's help with this? NO.

I'm getting tired of repeating arguments now. Nobody is really listening.

There was a point, just cause you believe you can save it dont mean its possible to save it. You can hope all you want but in the end its not going to happend as well as David Icke never will find those spacelizards.

You're aware that your argument can be turned on you?:
just cause you believe you can't save it dont mean it isnt possible to save it

[Korp]

You're aware that your argument can be turned on you?:
just cause you believe you can't save it dont mean it isnt possible to save it

It's true, it could be turned against me. But I feel my arguments are a bit more realistic, judging by different factors like how the playerbase steadily has gone downards. It's sad and al, I would love the game to flourish again but I am a realistic person.

[Palem]

whats the point in making even more kingdoms if it isnt for trying to help the game or is your idea of lowering kd numbers just so you can feel like your able to compete because the higher kingdoms are down 5 people and not as big.

helping =\= saving.

Do you think this suggestion is going to save utopia?
http://forums.joltonline.com/showthr...d-help-buttons
or how about this one?
http://forums.joltonline.com/showthr...-Suggestion%29

No. They won't save utopia. Does that mean they aren't worth posting? No. This suggestion is NOT for saving utopia. It's to facilitate a more competitive environment, which is what the first 10-14 pages were about.

how damned goofy can you actually be.not anything you have said will bring any more people to the game. until you figure out whats the problem you will never have a clue and will be like most of the trolls here. just posting more BS for responses.

When I make a suggestion that's actually designed to BRING people into the game, I'll let you know.

People that cant argue usually attacks the person instead, are you one of those people?

Hmm..

report then idiot.

I'm an idiot

how damned goofy can you actually be

I'm "goofy"

Yet you are one of those that believe those terminally ill patients will be saved cause of some naive hope in God or whatever

I'm naive (and religious?)

And that's just from this page. You guys seem to be doing the personal attacks.

Its cute that you are reporting someone after you spammed. Pasting one line again and again wont help anything, it doesnt make things better it just makes people more annoyed instead.

Thanks for misquoting me. That was special.

And that exact point has been typed out at least 50 times in this thread. What's another 10 in 1 post to get you guys to get the point?

[Korp]

And that's just from this page. You guys seem to be doing the personal attacks.

You mean being called religious is an insult? You sure get smarter by every post you make.

I'm an idiot

Yes you are, spamming something in red isnt especially smart and is against the rules. If you think hes trolling you should not break the rules yourself you should report them. Yet you didnt do it, instead you had a childish hizzy fit.

[VT2]

"Is MacDonalds more sucessfull than Gordon Ramsey cause MacDonalds has more restaurants? " Yes.

It's a bit like how Blizzard is more successful than OMAC, because the Blizzard franchise has more customers served at more restaurants. Their customers tend to be happy, too.
There's also less % of old, cranky, gnarled people crowding the place, throwing salt and toothpicks at anyone who dares suggest the chief should add some beef and garlic to the menu.

[Thunder TA]

Luc: they dont make money because they cant code a game.what game stays in Beta or alpha for over 2 years ? the game is dumbed down enough.making it even worse wont bring in new people but will send more away to alternative games.as more go to the alternative games guess where the new players will also go.it wont be here because the game will have even less players much like UK .

Palem: all you seem to want is the top kds removed to make your play seem better. sad. you used to make decent suggestions and posts.now you have turned into only another troll.

[Palem]

Palem: all you seem to want is the top kds removed to make your play seem better. sad. you used to make decent suggestions and posts.now you have turned into only another troll.

This is what I love. How I'm "trying" to bring down the top, even though everyone(including myself) is in agreement that if this would happen that best in the game would still be the best in the game.

Is this not true? Thunder? Do you know of some underlying principle that would destroy the very fabric of the top kds with the simple loss of of a universal 5 players?

There's only 2 scenarios here:
1. I'm an absolute genius with a game changing suggestion that will incredibly bring down the top once and for all; somehow circumnavigating the fact the top has better strategist than anyone else!
2. The top is far too paranoid about falling and the paranoia runs into this suggestion.

Trust me, it's not 1.

[lichemaster]

There's only 2 scenarios here:
1. I'm an absolute genius with a game changing suggestion that will incredibly bring down the top once and for all; somehow circumnavigating the fact the top has better strategist than anyone else!
2. The top is far too paranoid about falling and the paranoia runs into this suggestion.

Trust me, it's not 1.

False dichotomy (since you love the straw man you should learn more logical fallacies)... MAYBE this suggestion would affect mostly the top because MAYBE they would be the ones kicking 5 players and so understandably MAYBE they aren't happy about it. Another reason is that it is totally an unnecessary change since it wouldn't increase competition at all as I've already identified the real cause of lack of competition in another thread.