High homes = bad

[Palem]

So you can try to undermine the wars and the victories but again i tell you, any kd outside top 100 can only dream about getting 7 wins in a row let alone 13 , This is ownization and domination, this is the epitome of ubberness, the pinnacle of masterization of all that is ubber and the pain and destruction superior skills, player focus into doom and damnation come together and result VICTORy One after another, VICTORY I GIVE YOU VICTORY

I can beat my dog at ping pong 13 times in a row, that doesn't make me good at ping pong.

I can beat up a 7 year old, that doesn't make me a good fighter.

I can drink 13 wine coolers, that doesn't make me a good drinker.

I can help my niece with her math homework about addition, that doesn't make me good at math.

I can successful use the quote function without clicking the quote button, that doesn't make me good at computer programming.

I can get 100%'s on easy on guitar hero, that doesn't mean I'm good at guitar hero.

I can beat gojete in a war, that doesn't make me good at warring.

Seriously...I can do this all day...

[Ordray]

Please do :D

[Sheister]

why is no one letting this thread die? oh no! I posted! I am in teh web!

[Ordray]

Because it's personal for me now.

[Sheister]

LoL.

Admit you are wrong!!!!!!!!! This is WAR!!!!!!

[Ordray]

I would if I was wrong, but I'm not.

[Sheister]

Not you personally, that was more of a mentality mirror comment.

where is that pic I have about arguing on the internet and the special olympics........

[Palem]

Sheister - It's not a matter of him being wrong. It's a matter of him giving out very bad advice and saying it's awesome.

It's not awesome. I've shown why it's not awesome here and countless others have shown why it's not awesome in other various scenarios. I don't even want a "You are right, I am wrong" out of gojete, I just want to make a very clear that it's a fail strat.

Given the current situation, I think it's pretty clear how fail it is given that it's loudest speaker is afraid to give out his loc to me of all people, let alone someone who actually plays well.

[Ordray]

lol Thanks for the link, Palem :P

[Sheister]

oh that is a good one Palem. I love it! LOL.

[gojete]

Youre not seeing clear

You are posting dream scenarios that you imagine, can you see the wrongness of trying to say reality is a dream ?

you are posting me numbers , predictions , thoughts, and things based on your mind.
Im saying homes work against 80% players in utopia, and not only do they work they work great. Unlike you im not saying it out of my imagination, or because i tested the strat on the calculator again, why is this not clear yet, all of your points come out of your imagination.
I have tested homes for 2 ages in and out war, and they work great.



Why is it a bad advice ? to give a strat that works against the vast majority of the population in utopia .

Like i said , one learns to use homes and BE , my BE was at 145% , you are not even reading , what is my race and personality ? youre debating yourselves here, because you cant see beyond your thoughts.

My BE is at 138% right now , now .

Why do you keep saying its a bad advice if it works great ? proven facts, 2 ages of warfare .
You want me to read your posts full of numbers that come out of your imagination when i already tested it and its real?


Why do you want me to argue your arguments when they are fictitious , i rather stick with reality, and the reality is that high homes work great .


All this analogies about beating your dog at ping pong, youre really getting out of yourself there, what is wrong with you.


I dont think you are aware of all the wrongness in your analogies of playing pingpong with a dog and drinking 15 coolers and being a good drinker.
Your analogies dont have a place in reality, they are all coming out of your own education and prejudices that you have in your mind.

You have a belief of what is good and what is bad . And you bring it into this discussion .

We warred some of the best ghettos out of the top 100 charts, if in your view they are dogs , nieces ,, coolers , and 7 years olds , thats your personal view. See you are bringing your personal beliefs in a strategy talk, i understand your point of view , all of you.

I know that you have strong belief that people should strife to be in the top 50, i understand your belief and ideals that ppl should all play in 25 ppl kingdoms that log in at least twice a day to feel good about yourself,
I understand all of your beliefs and ideals and i know that in order to feel good you think and imagine that you have to do all this things .

You are just translating your personal views of the world into the game.

I understand that you have to feel good by trying to achieve whatever it is that you have to achieve.

Can you see yourselves how wrong you are ?

I really cant make myself clear here, i wish we could talk face to face , and it would be easier.
What im saying is that you have your beliefs, which are strong in you, you belief that everyone has to try to achieve a high place in the ranks and that everyone has to aim to what you call " get better " before they feel accomplished .

Since this is your goal, to play the game a certain way, and you feel is right, and that is good , and so on, when you see someone who doesnt give a damn about your beliefs , then you instantly feel threatened .
And this is the only and solely reason you say high homes is a bad strat, and is a self defeating strat and all that, because in your mind, you believe strongly that everyone should think like you, and whoever doesnt think like you is wrong.


Without prejudices , without beliefs , without im right youre wrong attitude . A strat that works agains 85% of the server, is a pretty good damn strat, and add to that , that its easy to do, that it gives tons of benefits.

Pretty much the only bad thing about homes, is in your personal opinion, that it might not work in kingdoms like the monkeys, like the archangels, and like other semi ghetto " good kds" . And of this kds there are probably no more than 50.

So the only bad thing about homes, is only going to affect you if you play in this 50 kds.

Dude really, take the prejudice away, and see for a fact , that the only bad thing with homes is that it might not work kds that been around for ages.

For everyone else , it works great . Trying not being biased , forgetting your brainwash, see that the only reason that you dislike high homes and my strats is because you are afraid that you might be wrong , maybe its wrong to try to get in a top 50 kd, maybe its wrong to be in a kingdom of 25 ppl who can all log in at least twice a day.

Have you ever considered , deeply , that your beliefs of what is a good kingdom, your beliefs and ideals of what is achievement, of what is good , of what you think is the right thing to do, could be completely self destructive and wrong ?

Making all this analogies about 7 yrs old , is a very good thing, you can observe yourself.

After all this ages, you can see that most top kds are the same ppl, the same players, good warrying kds are mostly all the same and stuff, so its obvious that since there has not been that many kds that fight the " good kds in utopia" , it means after all this ages, that most ppl dont give a damn about what you believe is good or bad, and most ppl dont care and are not willing to spend their time accomplishing something that you strongly believe in .

There is no right nor wrong, it would be "wrong" to say that you are wrong in your views, just because more than 3/4 of the server are not willing to play like you do, or to try to achieve what you do.

But in a democracy , having the majority of the votes win, and utopia has voted , age after age, that trying to be a what you call " good kingdom" is not worth it .

So basically you are the one who is wrong and high homes is right.

Then again like i say i dont believe, so i dont think you are wrong for wanting to play in an active kd and stuff.

Im just saying , that most ppl in utopia have fun warrying ppl around their level, We even lost a war right now, and were very happy that we are out of it because we want to rebuild and test new strats and so on, and were having a great time even when we lose, just as we will have a great time when we win and so on.

We do not live struggling thinking " oh i cant be happy until im top 20 " , " oh i cant be fultfilled until i win a crown" " oh i must feel like crap because i didnt make it to the to 100" ,

Many people dont have your trauma of achieving in a game that is all about imagination. You click on a mouse and on a keyboard and you get feelings out of it.

Do you get the feeling of having achieved something out of clicking ? NO

You get your feelings of what is good or bad out of your own ideas and imagination . This game is a virtual reality, is all in your head, what you thing is good or right is in your head. This is only a psycological game . Yet you fail to see this.

This is not like Its good that we have the magnetic field around the earth and all the protection earth has to protect us against the sun and asteroids and comets and all that.

You can say that its good that earth has all of this, because it keeps life alive .

But if your objective and goal was to kill all life , then earth protections would be bad, since they dont agree with your motives .

Do you see what i mean?

You basicaly say high homes is bad , because it doesnt go along with your personal goals and beliefs , not because the strat itself works or not.

[Palem]

Youre not seeing clear

You are posting dream scenarios that you imagine

Stopped there. yawn
Still waiting on that loc.

[spamely]

Im saying homes work against 80% players in utopia, and not only do they work they work great. Unlike you im not saying it out of my imagination, or because i tested the strat on the calculator again, why is this not clear yet, all of your points come out of your imagination.
I have tested homes for 2 ages in and out war, and they work great.

And i supposed you have fought 80% of utopia players...

Why do you keep saying its a bad advice if it works great ? proven facts, 2 ages of warfare .
You want me to read your posts full of numbers that come out of your imagination when i already tested it and its real?

these numbers are the LAWS of the game they are how utopia exists. arguing against them is as dumb as trying to convince us tht gravity is dumb numbers somebody invented,

All this analogies about beating your dog at ping pong, youre really getting out of yourself there, what is wrong with you.

I dont think you are aware of all the wrongness in your analogies of playing pingpong with a dog and drinking 15 coolers and being a good drinker.
Your analogies dont have a place in reality, they are all coming out of your own education and prejudices that you have in your mind.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ridicule


yeah i cant keep reading...

[redskullvw]

The thing is about all Utopia building strategies is that somewhere, in Outer Mongolia, there is a total geek playing an all elite army dwarf with 50% farms and 50% barracks and a 6 hour turn around who has a chip on his shoulder for anyone running 50% homes. He will break you multiple times before you even have a chance to wake up from sleeping in your bed. The more extreme your personal build is, the more likely it is that the advantage you gain is most likely lost compared to another province running the inverse extreme strategy. Could 50% homes work? Yeah sure it could.

But the reality is most people play better builds that have a higher war durability than an extreme one. I'd love to come across an enemy province during war with 50% homes and a massive peasant population to exploit. If I couldn't kidnap all of them I'd simply fireball them realatively quickly because odds are I have more thieves, a higher thieves den percentage, a higher Building efficiency, a lot more towers, a much higher WPA, and enough libraries to make my science worth having. Meaning, if you ran that strategy against a competent enemy kingdom, they would literally destroy you even if they didnt bother chaining you. If you ARE running 50% homes in a kingdom, either your monarch is way too lenient or you are in such a ghetto that you don't run across competent players during your kingdom's wars.

[gojete]

spammely you ignorant fool , come back when you win 13 wars in a row or when you monarch a successful kingdom , youre talking out of what you think in your mind is real and truth, not about facts that you yourself have tested. Unlike palem or others, your just talking out of hate towards me , your malice and bad faith are clear sign of the close minded buffon you are .

The numbers posted here are the imagination of this ppl , not the laws how the game works, they are predictions of scenarios played in this ppl heads .
The formulas and scripts , codes, etc , call it what you want , is what the game is based on, not on the excel sheets and the windows calculator where this people run their imaginary numbers. Debating imaginary numbers is not my thing, im a man of action . And high homes have been proved to work, we founght against some of the best out of top 100 kds we could fight .

Its very clear that testing a strat in game and finding it successful has way more weight that someone posting their imaginary calculations . Just like your imbecile speculations have 0 weight whatsoever.

See now , gravity, what the hell does gravity has to do with all this!, you keep using analogies that have no place .

I will explain it to you very slowly, you are only relating your arguments to the beliefs you have in the world outside utopia.

Arguing against numbers in someones head, against arguing against gravity, can you see the wrongness in your thought process ? You are trying to bring together oil and water, even worse, gravity ? comparing gravity with utopia, whats wrong with your mind . Go take your pill and have a nap.

Youre sick , ignorant and blind . I have to say it plainly , the way you try to relate your beliefs with a computer game are beyond the outmost ignorant and foolish self deceptive views of the world out there .

It feels really wrong to be so harsh , but maybe a proper slap in the face might wake you up, all in good faith