New Anticheat Measure Going Live Today

[Eus]

FinalFantasyWorld: cry some more, please. "Oh no... I can't hit the same target with my multi.. I mean my wife." You're lucky enough that you're playing utopia in a time where this is even LEGAL. Just pick different targets and stfu and just move on -- seriously. Are we really to believe that your ghetto is such a warring powerhouse that you can't afford to make 2 separate chain targets?

This is the most friendly anti-cheat detection system I've ever seen in utopia and I've been playing for 15 years. "Access Denied?" You've gotta be kidding me. Mehul would have *deleted* you within 10 minutes if you and someone in your house were playing in kingdoms on different islands and never even interacted in any way.

Online gaming is industry, it wont be forbidden any time soon.
Yeah, we all know you are trying to understand how wars work. We all know how "top" kingdoms "war".
This cheat detection system (or should I say as you did - ANTI-cheat detection?) is all but friendly for people with families. Probably you can understand at least that.
Mehul would delete people which cheat, but let me remind you that inviting people in the kingdom is legal right now and couples were getting whitelisted to be able to play together. Several individuals decided that's a good plan to run multi, but couples are not really responsible for that..... Interaction is why people are still in this game, taking out the interaction means these people have no reason to stay.

/offtopic
Because I have no other source for such information, I'll use Bijo's site:
http://thedragonportal.eu/History.html
2011-1998 = 15??

[Nuriho]

wall of text

I recommend people read his wall of text http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...7#post15119097 .

Also, I still do not understand how couples have an unfair advantage over me and my monarch. We both use cell phones and can wake up when called. If needed, we ask each other for help. "Oh hey, can you get Sot on this guy?" "60k breaks"
It's like we're living under the same roof but even better - we drive to work together, work in the same office floor, go to movies together, eat dinner together, go to sporting events together, the list goes on. We have an unfair advantage in that we communicate with each other often and effectively. Couples do this the same as someone living in USA and someone living in India. How is it unfair to couples but not to us? It's not, we need to get filtered by this as well, we have an unfair advantage.

If this is to prevent couples from xlogging and punishing everyone else I want to remove that illusion: I can easily set up a private proxy on my computer, give someone or multiple people my account details, and then instant xlogging from across the world. You don't need to be in the same house to do this, so there really is no unfair advantage to other cheaters, and it doesn't prevent that in any way.

[FinalFantasyWorld]

new case for you guys to look at. War scenario

Person A and B are living under the same roof.
Chain Target is A, Taken down to 400 acres from 1000 acres. Person A is part of that Chain
Person B and Half of KD takes down Target B

Chain Target A then Hits Person B for X acres
Person B cannot ambush

Chain Target B then hits Person A for Y acres
Person A cannot ambush

So? any of the devs care to comment about fairness of this situation? or is this a dead end scenario where people say "too bad live with the consequences" when its free hits with no retals roflol

[The Imp]

you and your monarch have so much bromance going on!!!

[Pale]

The major issue concerning this DDodge is that you changed the rules on people in the middle of the round. People who have spent 4 weeks preparing their provs and playing with their kd are now expected to just defect, abandon, or delete? Please explain to me how that is fair. I was one of the people that knew that white-list was going to change but we neither knew how nor when. Kingdoms now are going to be in a compromised position due to no fault of their own. They were just following your rules. Please explain to me how THAT is fair.

Thank you for explaining that it is the abuse of the white-list system that you all are dealing with. I was under the impression that it was also due to the many scripted provs that hit that bank and took the poor guy out.

[Godly]

People who have spent 4 weeks preparing their provs and playing with their kd are now expected to just defect, abandon, or delete?

I don't care if I get suspended for saying this, but: You can't really be this dense can you?

YOU CAN PLAY TOGETHER. Just don't attack the same exact person or it will stop you from doing it -- it won't even delete you. That way you don't even have to coordinate it. It tells you for free which guy you cant target!

So if you are in a war, and you have someone with the exact same IP address as you, you'll have to pick from 1 of the 25 provs and the other person will have to pick from the one of the other 25 provs. It's not an inconvenience at all.

I have a strong feeling the people that are going crazy about this (Pale, FinalFantasy, etc) are in kingdoms that all share the same exact IP address (Roros, Malaysia, or Singapore). Otherwise I can't possibly imagine how this would piss you off this much.

[Pale]

Actually no, we don't have this problem Godly. I don't have anyone sharing IP's in my kd but I know some couples that do. If I did have 2 I'd be forced to get rid of a player over it due to this change. Whether the devs and mods want to admit it or not, this makes chaining in war impossible if you have 2 people with the same IP so they really just can't play together anymore. Very few kingdoms just max gain or weak chain every war. This change can make it impossible to play together. If you're in a good kingdom built to chain, go to war, and your spouse or roommate can no longer hit the chain target to pass down your target to the rest of the kd because you hit them already you are messing with the very mechanics of how people war. They have 2 choices... stop chaining or leave. This isn't just an inconvenience. It drastically affects these people's ability to win wars and war the way that it has traditionally been done. You call me dense? You act as though this is not a big deal. IT IS A HUGE DEAL for these kingdoms. These people now have to start finding replacements for some of their players due to this or try to figure something else out. No matter what you say, this is destructive and not worth punishing those that are good because of the bad. Please figure out a way to not penalize the good people. That is all I ask.

[Godly]

I find it amusing that you are trying to school me on how good kingdoms function. If all 25 of your provs are chaining 1 prov, you are a ghetto. I don't know of a nicer way to put it.

[Nynaeve]

I think my problem is that if I wanted to use my phone or the xoom (both on Verizon) - Verizon uses just a few IPs. So I could easily be blocked from attacking/oping people I have absolutely nothing to do with in real life. This could include people in the kingdom we are warring. I did a little research, and all the cell phone providers here in the States do the same thing. Just a few IPs - which one you get each time you go online is just which one is available atm.

(Note: Luckily, I haven't been gone or without power/cable internet for some time, so I don't have to worry about it currently. This could create a problem in the future tho, if I need to use my phone or my Xoom for Utopia access.)

Please forgive me naming a company - kinda had to in this case.

[dreaku]

put up only a 2 hour non-interaction for the whitelist.

this would reduce almost to 0 the "unfair advantage" and also very much reduce the damage for team play.

[repmes]

I paid 10 boxes to get my son in my KD.
Guess what, I've the felling the merchandise I bought doesn't fit the advertising.

What if after buying a new car the saler cames one month later explaining you bought the car but he takes the engine back ?

[FinalFantasyWorld]

This is needs further testing , but

Provinces in kd my which were prevoiusly whitelisted have reported some discrepancies

Person A and B are living together

Person A is T/M, He did some ops on Target X a few hours ago (Fireballs)

Target X WS-ed

Person B's armies returned and successful trad marched Target X despite the ops from person A

Wasn't access supposed to be denied?


Also same two provinces

Person A attacked Target Y

Person B can still Op Target Y (kidnap)
Person B tries attacking Target Y then only the access denied showed

same question as above example

[Pale]

I never said all 25 would be hitting the same guy Godly. Go ahead and insult to make yourself feel all superior. You have no idea where I play or with whom and that is of no consequence anyways. You have yet to refute that this change will mess with how kingdoms function and that they will potentially need to move players out mid-age over this. Kingdoms can't just up and change the way they war without dire consequences. This change puts some kingdoms in a really bad place in the middle of an age. The fact that this was not done at the beginning is unfortunate because at least then the consequences could have been lessened. Considering the attitude I've seen from the moderators, there is no willingness to work with the other players at all. You state the rules and that's that. If it's a permanent change, already implemented and not at all negotiable then fine. I'll stop wasting my time and energy. If you want to ruin the game experience for some people and that end up hurt the game as a whole, it's on you. At least some of us can say we tried to talk some sense into you. With that I will retire. Good luck with these changes and I hope you don't destroy the game I grew up with and love.

@ Godly... pray to whatever god you have that your kd never comes across mine....

[Odec]

So... If you can pull off a 25 prov chain, you're ghetto? Haha, nice one ;)

[DDodge]

@ pale... I doubt ur kd will ever cross godlys, and my money would bet against u if so :)

40 whole credits in fact