New Anticheat Measure Going Live Today

[faegan]

Not to be a spoilsport, but I recently found out that browser footprints are pretty much unique for everyone. Perhaps something to look at?
If you're interested in finding out how unique your personal setup is check the following site: panopticlick.eff.org

Simple..I just checked my setup and sure enough, I'm unique.

Sometimes the right decision is not popular with a vocal minority.

Thanks you for placing this big fat PERIOD to this topic. There is no discussion, decision has been made and people just have to suck it up. A b s o l u t e l y no point in discussing this any further when someone in charge places comments like this. I bet you think the European Commission is a vocal minority as well? Not everyone voices their opinion but they read and agree with what others have to say.

[lastunicorn]

This change is a super good idea. Remember how it seemed like 99% of all people wanted fog back, but then remember this poll? http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...Poll-Version-2

[watchman]

Could we get some figures on roughly how many were whitelisted before the whitelist was discontinued? How small a minority are we talking that you are willing to risk allienating with the new policy as is?

Even those of us directly affected don't disagree with the new approach, some of us actually welcome it with reservations on how it affects many who did play by the rules, but just got caught up in the attempt to control cheating. It not only affects the family members/university students and others who share an isp, it affects the other members of their kd if they are less effective in waging war as a result. Surely some modifications can be made to not thow the baby out with the bathwater.

In western justice systems it has been expressed that better 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man be punished. The way this system was rolled out and the impression I am getting from the mods posting here is frankly you really dont care how many innocent players are punished so long as some cheaters get caught.

[DHaran]

Being able to play with family from one IP is a privilege, not a punishment.

[watchman]

I completely get that DHarn even before you pointed it out again. Most jurisdictions point out the same thing with driving, that it is a privilege, not a right and often revoke the privilege if you abuse it (drunk driving for example). Don't recall a lot of cases where they revoke the privilege because someone else drives drunk. Pardon me if I am nor happy to have a privilege I appreciated, and enjoyed revoked because some other idiot(s) chose to abuse that privelege. Pretty sure if you had your license yanked because your neighbor decided to have a few drinks before taking to the highways you wouldn't be real happy either.

[faegan]

Being able to play with family from one IP is a privilege, not a punishment.

Are you for real? Having 2 bank accounts is also a privilege, does that mean the bank can decide from which account they take the money when you want to make a payment? Can they say: hell no, we are not sending this money to XYZ because you recently did business with XYZ through the other account...

Stupid analogy perhaps.... point is that moderators should refrain from responses like the one I quoted.

[Palem]

That is an awful analogy. You don't get any benefit from having two legitimate bank accounts. The only time you might get some kind of benefit is when you're doing fraud-like activity, at which point the bank absolutely has the right to step in and stop actions on your account.

[DHaran]

I completely get that DHarn even before you pointed it out again. Most jurisdictions point out the same thing with driving, that it is a privilege, not a right and often revoke the privilege if you abuse it (drunk driving for example). Don't recall a lot of cases where they revoke the privilege because someone else drives drunk. Pardon me if I am nor happy to have a privilege I appreciated, and enjoyed revoked because some other idiot(s) chose to abuse that privelege. Pretty sure if you had your license yanked because your neighbor decided to have a few drinks before taking to the highways you wouldn't be real happy either.

In my state nobody can drive with cell phones in their hand because some idiots crashed their cars while talking on their phones. There are a million analogies that can argue both sides, but none of them apply because none of them are about cheaters in an online game.

Are you for real? Having 2 bank accounts is also a privilege, does that mean the bank can decide from which account they take the money when you want to make a payment? Can they say: hell no, we are not sending this money to XYZ because you recently did business with XYZ through the other account...

Stupid analogy perhaps.... point is that moderators should refrain from responses like the one I quoted.

Funny you bring that up, I work at a bank, so I can educate you a little. There are hundreds of regulations in place that prevent people from making standard transactions in an attempt to prevent fraud. Did you know in the US you can only make 6 transfers per month from a savings account using online banking or an ATM? Try to make 7 and it doesn't allow it, gives you something very similar to 'Access Denied' :P Regardless, these analogies are ridiculous, this is an online game, not driving laws and not banking regs.

[E_Boko]

no i have 2 accounts. and i has my purposes for having 2.

[DHaran]

no i have 2 accounts. and i has my purposes for having 2.

Just because you have 2 accounts doesn't mean the bank will allow you to kite checks. I can tell you guys right now I will own you with banking analogies because I deal with fraud every day, pick another topic if you want to argue :P

[Bishop]

Could we get some figures on roughly how many were whitelisted before the whitelist was discontinued? How small a minority are we talking that you are willing to risk allienating with the new policy as is?

Even those of us directly affected don't disagree with the new approach, some of us actually welcome it with reservations on how it affects many who did play by the rules, but just got caught up in the attempt to control cheating. It not only affects the family members/university students and others who share an isp, it affects the other members of their kd if they are less effective in waging war as a result. Surely some modifications can be made to not thow the baby out with the bathwater.

In western justice systems it has been expressed that better 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man be punished. The way this system was rolled out and the impression I am getting from the mods posting here is frankly you really dont care how many innocent players are punished so long as some cheaters get caught.

There are 337 accounts on the whitelist that signed in during the last 30 days.

[Landro]

That is an awful analogy. You don't get any benefit from having two legitimate bank accounts. The only time you might get some kind of benefit is when you're doing fraud-like activity, at which point the bank absolutely has the right to step in and stop actions on your account.

2 bank accounts gives you advantage of 2 credit facilities. That can be an advantage. There also people who have a Swiss bank account in addition to their regular one(s).

[Bishop]

Utopia is not a bank - stop nitpicking and using analogies :/

[watchman]

Since you brought up banking, it's not uncommon for two memebers of the same household to share a bank account (isp). My wife and I found that quite useful when I worked as an over the road truck driver for a few years. I could deposit cash into her account to pay bills when I was away and unable to do it. Had the bank failed to honor the deposit and she been unable to pay the bills because we shared the account, we likely would have taken our funds elsewhere.

So now you see 2 players who happen to share the same isp not only equivalent to multi's, x-loggers, farmers and other cheaters, at least in the way you seem to feel we should be treated, but now we apparently are as undesirable as frauds, check kiters and other criminals. Gives me a real warm and fuzzy to know how highly you regard the apparently small minority I happen to be a part of.

[Bishop]

Watchman, you know when i say - "get back on topic", and then the very next post is off topic?