Also, Im sure I'd get some BS excuse about it being different instead of the real reason...it takes money away from them.Originally Posted by Azartyn
Also, Im sure I'd get some BS excuse about it being different instead of the real reason...it takes money away from them.
*sighs*
There are lot of diferences between xlogging and sitting ... your just not bright enough to see them. But I'll point you in the right direction ... xlogging allows SEVERAL people to play same province unlike stitting which only allows some1 to temporarily gives over his province to some1 else to sit it.
If sitting allowed for original player to play province at the same time as sitter than it would be pay to cheat option ... the way it is now I dont see anything wrong with it.
Why are you so against devs making money in the first place ? They provide service and why shouldnt they make money on it ... or should they pay for the servers and bandwidth just to please ever gratefull utopian comunity and keep their favorite pasttime going ... please man ... get a grip
If you came here with some philosophical aproach and claimed allowing ppl to pay for sitting is morally wrong and rl obligations preventing activity should be part of the game I might see your claim at least founded on reasoning however shaky your premise is ... but to make stupid accusations and even out sitting and xlogging just makes you dumb. kkthnxbai
Though I disagree with the way that Azartyn puts his arguments he does bring up a valid point. It is totally a pay to cheat ( in the sense of how the game USED to be, and it seems like from reading these threads you mods love to pull out examples of how Mehul used to do things to justify what you are currently doing). When you had the White-list system in place you already had a limit of 2 persons per IP. Why not keep that limit and increase the profitability of the game by making those 4.7% pay for what you consider to be a privilege. Is that not a better business model than potentially pushing those 4.7% away and losing "business"? I understand that you will point out all of these things as to advantages that people from the same IP have vs others. They are often valid and yes the bad ones are again screwing over the ones that were following your rules to the letter (of which I know quite a few). Isn't it also a good business model to make your clientele happy? Of course don't throw out your values over making some players happy but there is some potential profitability and from what I have personally observed this game could use that. There was a point where financially the game was struggling on top of having player retention issues. This could potentially improve the game on both ends. You can still put limits but do SOMETHING. If you have reasons as to why this should not be considered please reply.
The 'Spirit of the Rules' quote was classic, an I love it.
The rules state that logging into someone elses account is illegal. Also states that multiple accounts accessing the game through the same IP will be restricted in the actions they can perform. Sitting violates the xlogging rule, an has immunity to the IP interaction rule because they paid to the company.
Working around the 3 week sitting rule is easily done by those that are willing to cheat - sit an account for 3 weeks, abandon the province, invite someone else into it (resetting the 3 weeks rule I believe) then have the sitter take over again. Its flawed an only gives advantages to those that can afford to pay for a free game. Having things fair for all obviously is over ridden by the companies desire for profit. If you can afford it, an have a little bit of ingenuity you can essentially have an entire 25 province kingdom to your self an its legal.
Whitelisting isn't a factor anymore since they did away with the list. So its really a mute point.
The interaction between provinces with the same IP address is an issue though. It effects a huge majority of the players in Utopia. Anyone that accesses the game through a cellphone, business account or, in some cases, the same country should be being affected by this new ruling. I am really curious how they are dealing with the interaction issues of players playing in smaller countries that have very limited IP address (singapore comes to mind). I know some of these countries have have multiple players in them, more players then they have IP addresses. Also the cellphone players (an ever expanding group with the widening use of smartphones, etc) whos carriers only offer a limited number of IP addresses. After checking my cell phone provider I found that I could potentially be sharing the same IP as people in 4 different states (here in the USA) at one time, some states in the Eastern US could potentially be sharing their IP with players from even more states.
Basically it comes down to poor planning on the developers part. They made a few rules that were not fully thought through an lost them players already, an sure to lose them even more in the future. Kinda like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Why they don't listen to their customers more I do not understand, guess when the game goes completely under they will have more time to contemplate their terrible business decisions.
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@ citadel... based on how the game was when I started ( yes it was age 1) it is totally "cheating". If people are going to refer to how Mehul did things to justify what they are doing now they can't just pick and choose as they see fit. If you allow things like sitting, which has good restrictions, then why not allow same IP with some similar ones where you can control it and maybe, like sitting, profit from it. Seems like good business to me. Another good business saying that is tried and true and rarely used by those running this game currently: THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. You don't always have to appease them 100% but you also don't want to lose their business over it. I would know. I run one.
Just because you dont agree with the answers being provide does not mean they are the wrong answers.
As for this nonsense about the 3 weeks getting reset when someone else takes over the sitting - that's just BS and whoever's telling you that is so wrong. The only way I see that scenarios is the following:
1) prov 1 sits prov 2 for max sitting
2) sitting on prov 2 runs out
3) prov 1 goes into sit mode on prov 2
4) prov 1 player takes over prov 2 account
but that would then be cheating and the prov 1 player's IP will come up on prov 2 and thus result in deletions.
Last edited by fuzzy|; 10-12-2011 at 21:45.
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Obviously you're not bright enough to see its the same thing. One player signing into two provinces is against the rules. Period. If its good for sitting it should be good for white listers as well. Oh and FYI, Im not against the dev making money. Im against people paying to do something someone else is not allowed to do genius.
Last edited by Azartyn; 10-12-2011 at 21:57.
you make the rules? I am pretty sure the Devs make the rules and so if they deem sitting legal then its legal. It is also not signing into two provinces which makes it wrong - each player has a MASTER ACCOUNT and each player is only able to have 1 MASTER ACCOUNT. logging into 2 MASTER ACCOUNTS is against the game rules therefore provinces don't even matter because they happen after the MASTER ACCOUNT login process.
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@pale
I see your point ... I am just annoyed at reasoning behind calling sitting cheating. Just because Mehul wouldnt allowed it doesnt make it wrong, the game is ran by new ppl these days in way they see fit, and tbh not like every mehul's move or decision was smart to begin with. If your arround for that long I am sure you remember number of ages that were totally ruined for most ppl cause mehul liked drastic changes to game mechanics and often failed to realize how overpowered some combos were (avians with 85+% homes any1?), or how he badly implemented some changes, or how he deleted ppl for no reason and with no eplanation etc etc
If some1 wants to open discussion about comercialization of whitelisting and restrictions that should be put in place pls do by all means ... but flaming forums with stupid (yes Azartyn, stuipid) and unfounded accusations wont achieve anything.
In fact wasnt there an 1% income bonus in mehuls time for platinum users ? now that pay to win feature ... new utopia is abbout as clean as it gets in that aspect, especially when compared with other online games which often provide substantional advantages in gameplay in exchange for money
ok then fuzzy....answer me this...I have one master account and one province. My wife has one master account and one province. We just happen to play from the same IP. Whats the difference?
Sitting has restrictions to prevent long-term abuse, the whitelist had none. It's that simple. And whoever told you the 3 weeks resets when someone else takes over was probably lying. I know for a fact that the 3 week cutoff was functioning as recently as last age.
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Technically sitting is cheating. Here's why. I can sit an account and sign into it make a hit/op or whatever, sign out of that account. Sign into my account, hit/op the SAME province from the same computer. A husband and wife playing in the same KD cannot do that. The only difference is sitting is paid. I'm sorry if you're are too stupid to see the facts just because they may benefit you while hindering other honest players.
No it isn't. It's an intentional function that allows temporary use of another province. Couples have the same sitting options, mind you.
Also if you call one more person stupid you're gone.
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yeah, then that person abandons it and another person from the same KD can pay to sit the same province that was just abandoned.
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