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    Quote Originally Posted by Landro View Post
    I get the impression that Bishop deleted the province because he was abusing war to grow in safety. It's easy to argue that this is in violation of the spirit of the rules.
    That is the case for ANY cow in a war. They overstepped their bounds. If they have a problem with cows getting free acres they need to change war mechanics. Unrelated issue really. The issue is this war was not fake, and they are calling it fake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHaran View Post
    That is the case for ANY cow in a war. They overstepped their bounds. If they have a problem with cows getting free acres they need to change war mechanics. Unrelated issue really. The issue is this war was not fake, and they are calling it fake.
    Could you point to where Bishop said that this province was deleted because of FW?
    This is my province. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
    My province is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
    My province, without me, is useless. Without my province, I am useless.
    I must attack hard with my province. I must attack harder than my enemy who is trying to pk me. I must pk him before he pk's me. I will...

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    Man, sometimes i miss Mehul, he wouldnt have this close contact with the players of utopia and just ignored the whining bunch. If he wrote something he would write something witty and close a thread. Bishop is too soft!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaine View Post
    rest of the both kingdoms [..] not even knowing about such a NAP
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    it was only way to get us a war..
    Did you ever stop to think that maybe your king was the problem instead of the solution to finding a war ? That just maybe you're being played by a guy who puts his personal achievement before that of the kingdom ? No ?

    +1000 to bishop for laying down the line!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Landro View Post
    Could you point to where Bishop said that this province was deleted because of FW?
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    Your interpretation is incorrect. Allow me to provide clarification. We will be actioning any war that is not real.
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    A fake war is designated as a war that is fake. There is no specification that all provinces in a kingdom need to be involved, nor were uninvolved provinces actioned.
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    Indeed there is not. Agreeing to have a fake war with someone though is what we call fake.
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    I don't believe that current leaders think it is allowed to create fake war to farm to number 1.
    <Bishop> saying" war me and we can both farm our kds and not attack each other" - thats fake
    Well that was a waste of my time, can you read the thread next time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Realest View Post
    lol utopianub, just because you write a long paragraph does not mean you're right. I don't wanna single you out because there are a lot of stupid radical extremist views, but you need to relax a bit in your little crusade.

    As for those of you who think that some poll on these forums would mean anything, let me tell you it doesn't. Basic statistics should tell you how wrong and inaccurate such a survey would be. Go educate yourself on these matters before saying something about going to the community.

    As for dorje and others who thinks we need to list out explicit guidelines on how to rule this game, I'm less than impressed, mainly at dorje, because I know hes a smart guy so I'm gonna assume hes just trolling. It shouldn't be hard to figure out that laws rules are interpretive, and rigid firm laws are more exploitable than malleable ones.

    Lastly, Ryan certainly didn't deserve to be deleted. I like the kid so I can understand the community outrage here since I dont view the situation from a hater perspective. However, this deletion is s the cost of leaving ambiguity in his "war terms" and when you pair it up to his subsequent war. As flimsy as Bishop's "case" may be, I don't see how anyone can vehemently defend Ryan. Sure, you can presents all kind of reasonable doubt, but Bishop has shown in the past he doesn't go with that, so hes just being consistent here.

    Relax people, there's no need to present such radical views for a few likes and hits to your fan page. If you have a point, it'll shine through eventually. Trust me, I'm a doctor.
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    you know its bad when I'm the voice of reason
    True dat.

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    how long were they in war for before deleted? 18 hours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DHaran View Post
    Well that was a waste of my time, can you read the thread next time?
    Only the 4th quote links this province to FW. The other quotes are just general statements.
    This is my province. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
    My province is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
    My province, without me, is useless. Without my province, I am useless.
    I must attack hard with my province. I must attack harder than my enemy who is trying to pk me. I must pk him before he pk's me. I will...

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    General statements about the province after which this thread was named being deleted. What good is this nitpicking doing? He was deleted for FWing during a war that wasn't fake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuriho View Post
    how long were they in war for before deleted? 18 hours?
    we were in war around 2 days before it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaine View Post
    we were in war around 2 days before it
    So being in war for around 2 days means the devs know that you plan to whore land in war until EoA. Since it was deemed a fake war because they knew the provinces in question were going to whore land and reach, in one instance, #1 spot in land from #2 spot in land. It would need an EoA war for this, wouldn't it? There was no question at all that one kd or another would withdraw, because the devs KNEW it was a fake war for whoring land, regardless of hindsight that one kd withdrew since they were rather beat up and were going to take more of a pounding -> with or without the land whoring fake war going on.

    I dunno, seems rather biased decision with lack of thought going on.
    Definition: Decisiveness means that you are able to make good decisions without delay. Get all the facts and weight them against each other. By acting calmly and quickly, you should arrive at a sound decision. You announce your decisions in a clear, firm, professional manner.
    I feel that there is a lack of Decisiveness going on, when I'm presented with the facts. Bishop says it's obvious that he's right that it was a fake war and deletions for the win, but to me it seems a lack of decisiveness, mainly a lack of a good decision due to lack of comprehension of the facts. The lack of comprehension, to me, based off of Bishop's vague responses, seems to be due to bais and lack of thought, and not lack of facts. However, that's assuming Bishop did the deleting.

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    thinking some more on it, if their reasoning was influenced that no ops were done on either bank, that means in 50% of the wars I've had vs banks, those banks should have been deleted due to it being a fake war for them in particular. All this action means is that in all wars involving a bank, I'll simply report it due to suspicion of a fake war, as that bank has an easy potential to grow land -> whether he is using it or not (eg. Grande Mucca would have grown more by training up his offense to hit the other bank in his fake war where he was land whoring it up)

    If they don't want banks in the game, shouldn't they just say they'll action banks? Or change the game mechanics, like how exploring works, so banks aren't plausible?
    Last edited by Nuriho; 25-01-2012 at 18:26.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop View Post
    I don't believe that current leaders think it is allowed to create fake war to farm to number 1.
    I wasn't aware you (and I mean 'you' in the same way you mean 'we') had a dog in that fight...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landro View Post
    I get the impression that Bishop deleted the province because he was abusing war to grow in safety. It's easy to argue that this is in violation of the spirit of the rules.
    I can grow just as safely OOW. Though I grow (-100) to 200 acres faster per day in war assuming no LL. If this was solely for personal benefit I'd have gotten us a war with a much bigger kd / built more barracks and never withdrew while growing 600a/day faster than being oow.
    Last edited by I_am_Spartacus; 25-01-2012 at 20:26.

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    Indeed, if it was simply 'abusing war to grow safely' then the #7 prov Crazy Diamond would probably be deleted too for being in a war that more or less amounts to him farming out a ghetto while enjoying war protection. That's okay though, they don't have a bank, and opportunism is a virtue. That and he's not in a position to challenge anyone for first place...

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