Simians Vs Sanctuary

[jdorje]

Playing in the ghettos this age, I feel like the difference between merchant and non is not as huge as the difference as dorje would have it in his war. If you pump well (and this is not a given for a lot of kds), there's a good case to be made for tact/cleric/warrior. Merchants build paper tigers, but math doesnt always translate to ecological validity.

That's because ghettos do nothing but pump for weeks at a time. If both are identically pumped, other personalities have an edge and that can get you more acres by min time. As war drags on - or any time you are growing - the economic bonuses of tactician/cleric/warrior decline while those of merchant rise.

[flogger]

That's because ghettos do nothing but pump for weeks at a time. If both are identically pumped, other personalities have an edge and that can get you more acres by min time. As war drags on - or any time you are growing - the economic bonuses of tactician/cleric/warrior decline while those of merchant rise.

I think you're understating the effect of the free build credits because you've been dealing with a war with an unusually low amount of acre change involving orcs and avians. Had both sides been 2x'ing to start, you'd have alot more chained provinces that are 4x max gaining provs with no def and the free building credits would be much more of an economic benefit to sanc.

The particular situations that resulted in neither side being able to chain has therefore helped merchant. Orcs not getting into a 4x maxgain eachother war by this time is the exception from my experience, not the norm.

[goodz]

Warriors are cute and should be snuggled

[Sheister]

10 days of identical acre exchange and you suspect one side is going to take 10k acres in 32 hours?

Good luck with that!

P.S. War is now dead even again.

Like I said, I can be wrong. But, without having done any intel or looking at the papers, just reading curves and form what I have experienced in them, simians seems to have the more stable armies, that often tends to win wars. Flipping NWs after this long a time while sanc is cycling even with acre exchange is a big concern (in my experience). I don't necesarily expect a 10K acre flip in 32 hrs. I think in 32 hrs there will be a point where simians has a lot more armies on similar acres than sanc does.

for example, as I write this sanc is 130 nw/a while simians is 146. while at the same time simians is 12.5M acres and sancis 12.4M acres. Higher NWA on more acres generally is a good indication of how things are going as well.

there are a lot of little things that go into the curves, but generally once you see the "pinching" level out for one Kd and continue for the other and you see a NW flip, the end is 24-36 hrs away.

/me shrugs.

[Realest]

That's because ghettos do nothing but pump for weeks at a time. If both are identically pumped, other personalities have an edge and that can get you more acres by min time. As war drags on - or any time you are growing - the economic bonuses of tactician/cleric/warrior decline while those of merchant rise.

I think you overestimate the ability of ghettos to pump :p Time does not necessarily equate to a better pump. But yea, I feel like with the top kingdoms funding our science, we should have went something other than merchant.

[goodz]

Like I said, I can be wrong. But, without having done any intel or looking at the papers, just reading curves and form what I have experienced in them, simians seems to have the more stable armies, that often tends to win wars. Flipping NWs after this long a time while sanc is cycling even with acre exchange is a big concern (in my experience). I don't necesarily expect a 10K acre flip in 32 hrs. I think in 32 hrs there will be a point where simians has a lot more armies on similar acres than sanc does.

for example, as I write this sanc is 130 nw/a while simians is 146. while at the same time simians is 12.5M acres and sancis 12.4M acres. Higher NWA on more acres generally is a good indication of how things are going as well.

there are a lot of little things that go into the curves, but generally once you see the "pinching" level out for one Kd and continue for the other and you see a NW flip, the end is 24-36 hrs away.

/me shrugs.

12.5m acres :( must have been big explore pools

[bluebear]

Like I said, I can be wrong. But, without having done any intel or looking at the papers, just reading curves and form what I have experienced in them, simians seems to have the more stable armies, that often tends to win wars. Flipping NWs after this long a time while sanc is cycling even with acre exchange is a big concern (in my experience). I don't necesarily expect a 10K acre flip in 32 hrs. I think in 32 hrs there will be a point where simians has a lot more armies on similar acres than sanc does.

for example, as I write this sanc is 130 nw/a while simians is 146. while at the same time simians is 12.5M acres and sancis 12.4M acres. Higher NWA on more acres generally is a good indication of how things are going as well.

there are a lot of little things that go into the curves, but generally once you see the "pinching" level out for one Kd and continue for the other and you see a NW flip, the end is 24-36 hrs away.

/me shrugs.

did you check their nw/acre before hostile/war started? sanc entered not as pumped as simians. I remember seeing some orc pvs with nw/acre of 150. so keep that in mind before you just measure which kd's nw dropped more.

[Anri]

did you check their nw/acre before hostile/war started? sanc entered not as pumped as simians. I remember seeing some orc pvs with nw/acre of 150. so keep that in mind before you just measure which kd's nw dropped more.

Keep in mind that the 3 of sanctuarys faerys doubled thier land and nw.
The bank might get to double its size as well. Its the only reason their nw is still keeping up and the reason they can aid others to keep up. I dont think sanctuarys nwpa ever was any problem.
They had 48h to prepare and its their own fault if they did not prepare accordingly.

[Anri]

Infact they had way longer to prepare since we were in war vs Fratzia when they started to grow that bank and they knew we were coming for them.

War is still interesting and fun :)

[bluebear]

Infact they had way longer to prepare since we were in war vs Fratzia when they started to grow that bank and they knew we were coming for them.

War is still interesting and fun :)

tbh i definitely didnt think avians could last this long even with merchant personality. may the best win. it is interesting indeed. :D

[Anri]

The main problem of this war is really that both sides are unable to control the faerys.
Our side nightmare+MS and NS. Their side AW our biggies til they safely can LL them.
They stock acres and slowly gain honor. Our side open targets up with NS+NM and stock honor.
The war is not really leading anywhere. The next couple of days will be very interesting.
I think both sides need to think about what next step will be to counter each other and force a win.
Maybe this is how it will be, maybe we can keep going forever. I dont know. Its a tuff war.
Dorje mentioned a EoA cf and MP but we declined it. Dorje said we are not undeserving a win.
But imo they dont deserve to lose (yet). So we just keep going. No matter how this ends i think both KDs done very good. Simians is very stubborn so we are still here FTW! :)

[Awesomeness]

well avians can last when orcs run out of defense. orcs problem are more of low defense and lack of resources to train def, since leet credits with tact keeps offense afloat. n like u said, simians went in more pumped. if anri didnt make the notice public den sanc would have a better time. but thats not anri's style aint it ;)

[Anri]

Awesomeness - Topics been posted all age about top wars. I did not think about it. I just made the topic since i tought it would be fun to have these war discussions on the forum. I really like how the community responded to this. That Sanc got stolen cant be helped. The only reason Simians had less gc stolen was because we had 3 tpa + in all provinces when notice was given and most gc was stocked at the faerys. Maybe we had 10-20 mill gc that was stolen while Sanctuary had 40 millions stolen. But it is not really my problem if Sanc does not train up and cant protect their gc. Why would sanc be allowed to run 130 nwpa provinces and a huge bank without tpa? I really dont understand what the problem is here. If they choose to have no tpa, no wts and banks without protection then its their own fault for getting it stolen. I dont know why anyone without a CF deal would just watch people sitt around with that much gc. Trollfags and others did a good job, i would have done the very same thing.
Dont blame me for sanctuarys ignorance that no one would dare to steal them when they pump.

[Awesomeness]

relax anri. don't have to explain to me. im not dorje. im talking about your utopian celebrity lifestyle, not you using the media in your favor.

[bluebear]

I just made the topic since i tought it would be fun to have these war discussions on the forum. I really like how the community responded to this.

discussion of strategies by well known figures of utopia is quite entertaining and educating at the same time. i think many here appreciate inputs from jdorje, flogger, n you.