Age 54 Potential Changes Rev II

[Avenger]

Still laughing.

[Bishop]

You can't ambush a war spoiled hit.

[mjonte]

The Faery Nerf.

This age:

Bonuses:
* + 50% magic effectivness
* + 50% thievery effectiveness

Penalty:
* - 10% population
* Offensive Specialist Strength -1

Other Information:
* Offensive Specialist: Magicians (4/0)
* Defensive Specialist: Druids (0/5)
* Elite Unit: Beastmasters (3/8, $1000, 8.0 nw)
* Spellbook: All spells

Changes Rev 2 changes:

Faery
+30% damage on spells and ops
+30% WPA and TPA

-10% Population
Offensive Specialist Strength -2

Spellbook: All racial spells
Elite: 3/8, 1000gc, 7.5NW

I am aware that Faery was OP this age, but they lost 1 more attack point on their off specs, lost some very important spells, and lost T/M damage. Is the nerf to strong?

[Twyla]

You can't ambush a war spoiled hit.

Then there's a glitch because I've done it - just for the spite of killing off some of the guy's 9/3 elites (@ +15% from Warrior).

[Bishop]

I'll have to ask you to prove it, because we have already had people complain they couldn't ambush and the "issue" was that the prov used war spoils.

[Ethan]

The Faery Buff:

This age:
Damage:
3 mana/hour
3 stealth/hour + personality
Defense:
8 @ 8 NW


This age:
Damage:
1.3 * 3 mana/hour + personality
1.3 * 3 stealth/hour + personality
Defense:
8 @ 7.5 NW


I see the faery nerf. I also see the faery buff. I don't know what to think of it, but I'll recommend faery for all our T/Ms again, and *may* discourage hybrids again. And I'd gladly war anyone our size that lacked faeries, since I'd be sure we'd win the T/M side. Claiming faery needs *more* of a buff is ridiculous imo.

[DHaran]

Then there's a glitch because I've done it - just for the spite of killing off some of the guy's 9/3 elites (@ +15% from Warrior).

I'm fairly certain you haven't.

[Palem]

Hah your logic is so bad, so if feary gets 5 or even 6 in offspecs we can decrease its leets def, bcuz now its fair?? Feary is near unbreakable on all sides, none can do thief ops nor cast spell on it. And the thing with CQ on feary, why? U should never run pumped faeary in bottom nw, its always top nw prov, then in the enemy kd maybe, maybe couple can CQ it, only increasing its tpa/wpa further, usually after that things get unfriendly and all that big off start to melt.

No sir, I dont cry of feary being, so so much OP, I dislike very much when all of the races-1 have to play with at least one big risk, have to exchange acres all the time and then there is one race that just has to get fatter and fatter and it gets better by it.

I would hate to disappoint here, but Faery can be beaten on all 3 aspects of the game. Elf can cast on magic on Faery. Halfling can thieve faery. Everyone can break faery.

Why CQ a faery?
"War will end automatically if your opponents networth drops to 50% of yours."
^That's why. If you're trying to drop the enemy nw, it's not reasonable to just let the enemy TMs sit around and hoard loads of land/nw while you sit there and exchange with their attackers. As far as raising their wpa/tpa by hitting for land, don't ever criticize someone else's logic after spewing that garbage at me. Go ahead and tell me which one's going to be more effective for your war...

2000 acres
5 tpa
5 wpa

or

200 acres
50 tpa
50 wpa


yea, 200 acre faery sucks and is a complete and total liability.

[Tree10]

OOOOo....now you're giving out war secrets!!!!!
Shhhhhhhhhh....

[Twyla]

Anonymity

War is at the heart of the world of Utopia, but the fear of retaliation makes many leaders cringe. This spell casts an aura of mystery around your army. After a successful cast, your forces will remain anonymous during your next attack -- while your kingdom will be revealed, your enemy will not know your province's name.

Available to: All
Effect: Hides your province name during your next attack at the cost of no honor gains,
causing the attacked province to be unable to ambush that attack.
Increases your attach times by 15% for your next attack.
Duration: removed after attack
Cast Message: Our next attack will be cloaked under the shades of anonymity.
Mystic Advisor Message: Our armies are surrounded by a cloud of anonymity for our next battle.

...

War Spoils

Ordinarily, any land captured in attacks require time to take control of and become available for your own use. War Spoils gives you the opportunity to get this land from combat immediately. The spell lasts just a few Utopian Days, but is more than enough to use on a couple of attacks. This allows you to begin the process of expanding much more quickly than otherwise.

Available to: The Undead, Halflings, Faeries
Effect: Makes the land gained from Traditional March immediately available.
Duration: max 6 hours
Cast Message: Our army has been blessed with immediate War Spoils for 3 days!
Mystic Advisor Message: War Spoils give us quick returns on our attacks

Entirely different effects, and I've never been denied using Ambush against an attack that used War Spoils (unless, of course, they used War Spoils AND Anonymity). In my experience, the game functions 100% in accordance with what's presented in the Wiki - and, if that has changed, it needs to be fixed.


Though where I think some of this confusion may lie is people complaining that they Ambushed an army but didn't capture any land. Of course they didn't - due to War Spoils, the Army didn't have the land.

[DHaran]

Show me a paper line of a 0 acre ambush.

[Avenger]

Are you ****ing kidding me?... Is this vines?

[Landro]

Twyla,
http://wiki.utopia-game.com/index.php?title=Ambush
http://wiki.utopia-game.com/index.php?title=War_Room
http://wiki.utopia-game.com/index.ph...ilitary#Ambush

Stop claiming a WS'd hit can be ambushed. It can't.

[Twyla]

Show me a paper line of a 0 acre ambush.

Last one I did was back in YR8, so I can't bring it up for you. They're rare (most people don't bother, since they can't reclaim the land), but I have seen them in other Papers as well.

To be perfectly honest, I see no reason why War Spoils should make an army immune to Ambush - that's what Anonymity is for.

[DHaran]

Well you can make a separate suggestion thread for that, but at the moment you can not ambush a WS hit. If you did as you claim, we need proof.