BIO vs ghettocats

[protector]

It is a 3v2 atm. Old school is definitly involved (and so is jerks as you said).

Diplomaticly I am with Proteus, this is a complete diplomatic failure. Even flogger admitted that he went to action possibly "too fast". And as our sillnarch stated before there had been very little diplomatic attempts before it came to this.

Biased report (i'm in cats as previously stated)
Latest developments (after the 2nd war with inso):
- bio kept razing while we were in eow CF
- we dropped out a day early (after 3 days eow CF) and started retalwarring BIO
- about a day after we started retalwarring BIO, jerks joined us vs BIO
- we successfully pked 2 provinces (at that time it was 2-2 :D)
- Inso came out of their fortified and started waving/razekilling us (and send us a dragfon they had been keeping)
- We focused most attention on Inso (hitting mainly)
- We also send them a dragon
- Oldschool joined the razefest (their monarch says cause of stealings from last age as well)
- We've lost a 3rd province to the meanpk
- Jerks broke nap with inso and started waving inso as well

If you want to see what's happening feel free to SN, be warned: it's very spammy (but not as spammy as our war forums!)

I think you would've had 1v1 with Bio if it wasn't for Jerks

As for diplo; I had my share of contacts with Elurin (mirc) a few times and a number of ingame messages to 2 different provinces. One of them was probably Elurin, the other some noob, as he never replied (and I think Elurin wasnt even told about those messages by this co monarch). Understand that people aren't going to try forever to do diplo if it continues to hit a brick wall; which it did last age.
Sending a simple "No, not interested" is much better than blatantly ignoring messages. With a reply you at least know where you at.

I suggest to try and use this better in the future, it prevents '**** hitting the fan' as it currently does.

ps. I'm curious why Celien nap-broke with CGG when he said he wasn't going to?

[MrC-TheAncients]

It is a 3v2 atm. Old school is definitly involved (and so is jerks as you said).

Diplomaticly I am with Proteus, this is a complete diplomatic failure. Even flogger admitted that he went to action possibly "too fast". And as our sillnarch stated before there had been very little diplomatic attempts before it came to this.

Biased report (i'm in cats as previously stated)
Latest developments (after the 2nd war with inso):
- bio kept razing while we were in eow CF
- we dropped out a day early (after 3 days eow CF) and started retalwarring BIO
- about a day after we started retalwarring BIO, jerks joined us vs BIO
- we successfully pked 2 provinces (at that time it was 2-2 :D)
- Inso came out of their fortified and started waving/razekilling us (and send us a dragfon they had been keeping)
- We focused most attention on Inso (hitting mainly)
- We also send them a dragon
- Oldschool joined the razefest (their monarch says cause of stealings from last age as well)
- We've lost a 3rd province to the meanpk
- Jerks broke nap with inso and started waving inso as well

If you want to see what's happening feel free to SN, be warned: it's very spammy (but not as spammy as our war forums!)

Wooah... :) What a big mess this is.. I will deffo do a SN and eat popcorns too ! GL HF

[Gualdin]

I think you would've had 1v1 with Bio if it wasn't for Jerks

As for diplo; I had my share of contacts with Elurin (mirc) a few times and a number of ingame messages to 2 different provinces. One of them was probably Elurin, the other some noob, as he never replied (and I think Elurin wasnt even told about those messages by this co monarch). Understand that people aren't going to try forever to do diplo if it continues to hit a brick wall; which it did last age.
Sending a simple "No, not interested" is much better than blatantly ignoring messages. With a reply you at least know where you at.

I suggest to try and use this better in the future, it prevents '**** hitting the fan' as it currently does.

ps. I'm curious why Celien nap-broke with CGG when he said he wasn't going to?

The diplo i was referring to was this age's diplo (not last ages). This age there were 2 ingame msges (when bio waved) and not much after that (if you want the details, it's in this thread... somewhere... :P).

And after all the **** Bio pulled on us (with, to us, not nearly enough reason, as stated multiple times), excuse me that if I don't buy the "you would have had your 1v1 vs bio without jerks".

I think celien couldn't stand the BS any longer, but that's really up to him to comment on.

[protector]

As i said; if you tried several times in an earlier age, why try again repeatedly? I tried 5-6 times last age, hit a brick wall. Excuse me if I (or others in this case) wouldn't keep trying forever. Blame your leadership for their ignorance on that matter

[Gualdin]

As i said; if you tried several times in an earlier age, why try again repeatedly? I tried 5-6 times last age, hit a brick wall. Excuse me if I (or others in this case) wouldn't keep trying forever. Blame your leadership for their ignorance on that matter

While i get what you're trying to say, you are comming of a bit "cheap" to me (as i said, not nearly enough reason to explain/justify current actions). Other kd's (Rage to name one) did succesfully CF with us last age after diplo with elurin. We're by no means impossible to deal with (just silly, that's all).

[Elit]

Hi Gualdin. Can you tell me why all your cute cats member disappear from forum? Its cool you come to keep forum alive and interest but more silly people more fun :)

I'm wonder if you (both sides) try to make any diplo solution atm or its going to be for rest from age?

[Gualdin]

Hi Gualdin. Can you tell me why all your cute cats member disappear from forum? Its cool you come to keep forum alive and interest but more silly people more fun :)

I'm wonder if you (both sides) try to make any diplo solution atm or its going to be for rest from age?

There are cats 2 pages back. We did ask our cute cats to stop feeding the angry trolls on these forums. This is not a very hospitable place for cute cats.

Me & flogger are trying to get ahold of each other, but it's proving to be quitte a challenge :P

[Proteus]

Cute proteus, nice to see you pop in after your sweet simians cf deal.

It's actually a 3 v 2, or did you already know that, and just needed to sound like a better troll?

As for diplo, the kds engaged in this tried that, cats have their own agenda. Which suspiciously looks like rage's agenda considering how cat's always pops up in our news when it involves rage.

And do your research regarding crowns, lest you strictly mean insolence.

What's so wrong with my Simians deal? They had no business noticing us when their goal was to fight HOh and put themselves in a bad spot, so I leveraged it. What's the big deal?

For crowns I meant only Insolence/Inzzolence. I can see the other top kds in your sig.

@prot - that's a pretty weak argument of you disect all of the ages in which Rage has crowned. Plenty of cases where a lot of fighting was involved to win. Most notable recent examples are awar age vs. Sonata&co and this age where we warred Psych Ward, OS, and engaged BIO.

I love how cats is portrayed to be an Abs lapdog yet they robbed the **** out of us before our BIo and OS conflicts last age and robbed us for the majority of this age.

It's pretty pathetic to 3v1 a kingdom for robbing. Why don't you guys fight them 1v1. They never gbed you guys, pretty lame escalation. It's hilarious how you are bad mouthing us in the Simians thread but are promoting a gamgbang in this thread. No matter what anyone says you let your hate blind your judgment and you will never look at anything objectively.

Lastly if Insolence doesn't value crowns or warwins wtf do you play for and how do you measure your performance. You have competed vs Abs past ages so I dont buy that you guys don't try to win wars/land.

It may be a 3v2 now but started as a 3v1, others decided to help cats after witnessing your lameness.

[Elit]

Me & flogger are trying to get ahold of each other, but it's proving to be quitte a challenge :P

Flogger is on-line atm in irc. Catch him asap. You can talk to Baka too. If both sides have wish to talk and end it wont be hard.

I personalty like Cats, its don't mean i will let you rob me for 4 weeks and not kill you one or other way:P So what bio is doing look reasonable for me too. Just they didunt make it so proper.

I think all non abs kds acted stupid. When ABS had his problem with Hellrazor they used you to get rid from him and not loss face. If you was more smart you should use abs same way for deal with cats. I don't see why you cant gather together and send some one to represent "TOP" to talk with cats BEFORE start any action. If you ask cats nice: stop interfere with us when we are out from war range or "top" kds will give you lesson. For sure there will be CF from begin and no harm to all. Well cats can be upset a bit for loss his gold farms but next age they can grow and war with this kds 1vs1 when all are in war range.

Pure fail from all sides and now i need to read Proteus post about Honor and fairness. Its sounds to me like Devil to teach people for bible.

[Cloud001]

I like cats in wars , not so much when they robbing me blind when going into hostile. You guys know its a reason we bulk up money. Its so we can train in fort! And then jump into wars. And robbing 10m gc realy hurts and ofc ppl will get tired of it eventually.

Even before this **** started i had cats and jerks checking me for cash several times this age...

[Elurin]

You're all being supersilly atm! Its very sunny and cuddly here!!

To rectify some lies in this topic. We had CF with Inso half last age after prot approached me on IRC (notice how that part is left out in all the hate msgs about how bad we are at diplo - keep this in mind when he posts in the future if I'm not around to correct him). OS monarch sent me a msg during the stealings last age "Great to see a kd with some guts in this game again, you can be assured OS will never take part of some GB - this is for weak people who cant deal with their conflicts" signed by triv. Yet another lie it seems here, I did not login so dunno what damage OS has done but says above theyre involved and even using the same robbings as excuse. Weak. A third example was that flogger broke off all diplomatic negotiations in the begining of this conflict, not I, so who is really hard to do diplomacy with.

Gualdin speaks for sillcats, the rest does not and since this thread is full of made up stories by random people (c.f. 2 examples above) and very few know what has actually happend (me being one of them and away) it's hard for anyone to know how to respond and to what.

Sillcats and projekrs - youre awesome, keep pwning vs the bullies. Everyone - its summer, leave the forums and go have a beer.

[flogger]

I love how cats is portrayed to be an Abs lapdog yet they robbed the **** out of us before our BIo and OS conflicts last age and robbed us for the majority of this age.

It's pretty pathetic to 3v1 a kingdom for robbing. Why don't you guys fight them 1v1. They never gbed you guys, pretty lame escalation. It's hilarious how you are bad mouthing us in the Simians thread but are promoting a gamgbang in this thread. No matter what anyone says you let your hate blind your judgment and you will never look at anything objectively.

Oh Proteus enough already: Timeline:

1) Abs and flogger talk and abs brings up the idea of taking care of cats
2) The discussion of gangbanging comes up
3) Proteus thinks: "hey, maybe I can get a ceasefire with them by posting floggers logs and saying he's the bad guy, rob him"
4) Proteus talks to ghettocats
5) Proteus gets a ceasefire for not only him, but for sanctuary too. When asked Sanctuary how they got their ceasefire, they say "I dunno pro pro got it for me"
6) Cats stops robbing you then focuses all their robs on us for our end of the age fights.

You don't care that its noble and you aren't against any gangbang. When I say you I mean plenty of the abs leadership, I'll be happy to post my logs when I get home tonight. I don't do lame things like copy logs to people when I discuss things to people, but that's your style. Stop acting like you're not just doing whatever you can to just get and stay ceasefired, since that's obviously what you're doing.

[Proteus]

Oh Proteus enough already: Timeline:

1) Abs and flogger talk and abs brings up the idea of taking care of cats
2) The discussion of gangbanging comes up
3) Proteus thinks: "hey, maybe I can get a ceasefire with them by posting floggers logs and saying he's the bad guy, rob him"
4) Proteus talks to ghettocats
5) Proteus gets a ceasefire for not only him, but for sanctuary too. When asked Sanctuary how they got their ceasefire, they say "I dunno pro pro got it for me"
6) Cats stops robbing you then focuses all their robs on us for our end of the age fights.

You don't care that its noble and you aren't against any gangbang. When I say you I mean plenty of the abs leadership, I'll be happy to post my logs when I get home tonight. I don't do lame things like copy logs to people when I discuss things to people, but that's your style. Stop acting like you're not just doing whatever you can to just get and stay ceasefired, since that's obviously what you're doing.

First of all flogger, I was not the one who posted your logs to cats. You can ask Eulrin to confirm this I don't know who it was that did it and I don't care. Second of all your timeline is completely wrong.

1) I already got Rage a CF with cats before you presented your gb proposal to us, in fact I had that cf for atleast 1 week before you even spoke to anyone
2) When you presented your gb proposal I was against it because I don't believe in gbing people for robbing me. I didn't even gb Bio for what they did to us age 51. I was able to get a CF with cats without resorting to any lameness - it was hard diplomacy but I was nice and persistent and eventually suceeded.
3) After your proposal was presented I said this is retarded and proceeded to gets cfs for the rest of my friends with cats. At this point they already knew there was a plan to gb them and wanted to divert their attention to fighting back rather than robbing neutral kingdoms who wanted nothing to do with them.

During all of these happenings I have not posted your logs. Not because I care about you but because those logs were asked to be kept private and I did just that.

As for cats robbing you, that's not my problem. I already said they robbed us right before our fight with Bio and OS last age. It was lame but I was able to handle things with diplomacy.

In my mind cats didn't do anything that deserved gb. I am not against gbing people who deserve it. Hellrzr is a great example of this.

I don't pretend to be a saint. I just don't gb people "because I can" or because I don't like them.

[flogger]

I didn't even gb Bio for what they did to us age 51..

You told the whole server you were going to GB us at the end of the age and then your superiors didn't let you. My how noble of you!

[goodz]

IMO time for server to start GB bio is now ;) and GB inso. :D OFC I value my time to much to bother, but warring KD's who are friends with catts they are being double hostile raze killed by insolence/bio. How can you not help!