Simians Vs Sanc, HoH or Rage

[citadela01]

What we do in this game w/o semantics to argue about^^

Ppl can argue about definition of hostile and whatnot all they want but ultimatelly only definition that was important in this particular case was jdorje's ... and he went with common sense rather than technicality. Granted not Abs practice ... but common sense none the less.

You dont notice a KD, eat a dragon and bank hit, and get informed they dont intend to move on and than try to dodge the fight by waving 3rd KD and hiding behind that ... it was real naive to expect that would work.

If Simians went ape sorta speak on one of the KD's they noticed straight up before Sanc initiated them I could see some moral grounds for them to claim beeing doubled up, but like this ... meh ...

As far as noticing 3 kd's goes I really see nothing wrong with that, I dont understand why are ppl goin emo over it. Renegotiate new CF or train up ... easy as that

[jstr]

Simian put themselves in a double hostile. Take an objective view and put yourself in the shoes of every kingdom involved. What would you have done differently? All 4 are trying to win the age and are against each other with that goal in mind.

I would have done what both sanc and HOH did, I would have taken the cf rage had taken as well since they were probably third in line (lot of time wasted waiting). The misplay was the assumption that you could notice 3 kingdoms and then direct the flow of the game yourself (playing in a predetermined bubble).

If the problem is abs are lame blah blah blah and anti abs are lame blah blah blah news flash everyone knows this already. Adding up all ages and quantifying lameness they are probably pretty equal. Abs just gets away with it because they are the better meta gamers.

Ignore me though, if everyone realizes this the forum would be a lot less amusing.

[goodz]

You miss my logic. Its not about gave mercy to Simians because they are newbie. Sanctuary is good enough to war/beat simians/most kds in fair fight 1vs1. I I'm sure HoH wanted fair 1vs1 war too.
In every sport win matter only if you get it fair. Simians idea was in general correct and good but they didn't make it proper. Its because they are for first time in top land chart position. For this blame them so hard is not objective. Sure Sanctuary have his good reason to insist Simians to war with them, but when you see its wont happen most honorable is to back off and let Simians to have his fair 1vs1 war with hoh. Sanc simple used Simians mistake to make his Double Hostile semy-legit. Nor Sanc/hoh/simians win from it in long term.

Anri used some strange logic that since Sanctuary only made 5-6 hits including hits on their bank that it wasn't a hostile because meter wasn't at 15.

This makes sense to some extent but when your in top 5 and there is no other target for the KD to move on to and they have the dragon going, and have told you they will give you button if you go to normal you are pretty well stuck dealing with that situation before you move on.

Imagine this in reverse. Rage/Sanctuary/Mercy/HOH each make 7 hits into simians. None of them are hostile with simians but simians just received 28 hits... This would be a multi-hostile scenario without anyone being hostile. It takes some common sense and is hard to write rules for any scenario but when your allies/friends clearly coordinate to weaken an opponent that is generally frowned upon. When you !@#$% yourself and then complain... Not much sympathy.

Diplo is situational. It is hard to please everyone.

I think if abs wants better game play there best bet it to drop to 2 kingdoms. Or if they feel they need the kingdoms they could drop HoH and invite a couple warring KD's who could target other charts but would be able to back them up if a large group of floggers come after them... 4 KD's gunning for charts with NAP's is more then half the KD's who went for land/nw this age.

You got insolence/old school/bio/psych ward/simians/sanctuary/rage/mercy/hoh/*the faery circle who appear to be trying to grow. Or were at the start at least.

Insolence/psych ward/mercy/old school/TFC simply were too weak this age to compete at all. Hopefully they can have a stronger age after the summer.

This leaves bio/simians/sanctuary/rage/hoh competing for 1 spot :p Bio gave up very quickly when they hit adversity. Then your stuck with a 3v1 in charts. Essentially at this point just the amount of free time abs while have dicing means they are guaranteed a win. Simians messed up but they didn't have a realistic shot at chart regardless of what they did. Lots of KD's with activity that is good enough to really compete in the top 10 choose not to grow and this causes abs to control too much of the top to get fair competition :) Or heck have a couple kingdoms go for the honor crown each age, its annoying because with raze removed the mechanics are terrible... but hey I am sure Sanctuary could have some fun warring at 40k acres and intentionally staying small :D Last time I remember a top KD going for honor was years ago now! Wasn't uncommon back in the day to have 3-4 legitimately good kingdoms go for honor each age. KD's like pleasure palace/sleepy/playboys/heretics/bio/rage/sanctuary/brute force/fratzia and probably other KD's who I don't remember back then... but they used to take some ages to compete for honor. I would like to see you try again, there is some very strong KD's down there :)

[Elit]

overall its very true comment goodz. But still feel bad for Simians. Sure they messed it.

[goodz]

Yes elit, I like the simians crew well enough, and hopefully they come back motivated to try to whore again next age rather then give up and go back to the warring slums. Need some non abs KD's whoring. If bio simians dont whore next age it will literally only be abs unless insolence makes a comeback :P

[jamin]

Simians haven't returned a full wave yet, and these stats are always off, but you guys wanted a war summary from us so far, just quadded for 1936 acres using only 200k op, so I thought it would be a good time to post the summary:

For the period of March 2 of YR10 to April 5 of YR10 (28 hours)
-- By UPCF [0.99c] http://www.k3ltic.com/utopia/prince

** Summary **

Total Attacks Made: 139 (65302 acres)
-- Traditional March: 124 (61381 acres)
-- Conquest: 1 (139 acres)
-- Ambush: 14 (3782 acres)
Total Attacks Suffered: 77 (33295 acres)
-- Traditional March: 71 (32157 acres)
-- Ambush: 4 (1138 acres)
-- Failed Attacks: 2 (2.6% failure)

HoH

Total acres exchanged: +32007 acres (139/77)
+43698 acres: Anonymous province from (HoH) (87/0)
+2362 acres: We say you are wrong (6/3)
+2250 acres: Leave you all humbled (7/0)
+1302 acres: But the fact will remain (5/0)
+1049 acres: We are here to rumble (4/0)
+856 acres: You said you were right (2/1)
+721 acres: It wont be too long (1/0)
+309 acres: Thought youd keep us down (1/1)
+216 acres: And the Crown is in sight (2/0)
+100 acres: So make no mistake (1/1)
-49 acres: You think you are strong (2/2)
-210 acres: How far we will go (1/2)
-213 acres: Broken in our wake (1/2)
-416 acres: The game has changed (1/1)
-1335 acres: We will put on a show (7/10)
-1447 acres: Meticulously planned (1/4)
-1472 acres: Your time has passed (1/5)
-1994 acres: But now its a new round (0/4)
-2569 acres: We will serve your fate (5/18)
-2595 acres: You dont even know (1/5)
-3500 acres: Kingdoms will crumble (2/7)
-5056 acres: You think you are fast (1/11)


Simians

Total acres exchanged: -32007 acres (77/139)
+19213 acres: Anonymous province from (Apes) (37/0)
+523 acres: Coke Zero (3/0)
+180 acres: blazing saddles (1/1)
-414 acres: Temetni Tudunk (5/6)
-573 acres: Dwarfism (6/6)
-989 acres: Double Jeopardy (2/5)
-1409 acres: Celeri remoulade (4/7)
-2174 acres: Tabasco Looks Good On You (2/6)
-2267 acres: MaB (1/8)
-2283 acres: Apple (0/5)
-2749 acres: dwarf soup (0/4)
-2875 acres: SolarPoweredSharkMissile (0/5)
-3871 acres: No One Like You (2/11)
-3873 acres: Entreat the Angels (3/9)
-4188 acres: Th3 Monarch (1/8)
-4515 acres: Sweet Calcutta Rains (4/19)
-4742 acres: Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar (1/10)
-4826 acres: daenerys targaryen (4/10)
-4943 acres: zoom (1/9)
-5232 acres: Eddard Stark (0/10)

[flogger]

Ppl can argue about definition of hostile and whatnot all they want but ultimatelly only definition that was important in this particular case was jdorje's ... and he went with common sense rather than technicality. Granted not Abs practice ... but common sense none the less.

The only definition of hostile that makes any sense is what Rage told me one age. They told me we were hostile because we didn't have a notice deal ceasefire, despite the fact that we were at war with another kingdom and had an in-game ceasefire with Rage.

Of all the suggestions that have been put out there, this has always made the most sense.

[Anri]

We claimed hoh. We could have hit them before sanc gave us one hit. Sanc would still have waved us. Sanc will not be able to go hostile or war next age without Simians interfering. What dorje did is just very lame and sneaky. Entire server knew that HoH was target for round one and sanc for round two. Little or no respect was given from Dorje. You can obv claim a target by starting a dragon. We started one on HoH before notice was up. Make no misstake that HoH was the target. Abs people can say what they want. I will revenge that dirty move. Sanc will in the end have hurt their kd more then anything else. Remember now that 1 hit claims sanc. Remember that sanc claims targets using multiply dragons while no one else can do this. Remember that a notice is now a legit reason to gangbang another kd. Everything is fair now. Also dont forget that button or hitting above 15 points is not enough to claim a target but 1 hit is. Abs write the rules n bend them as they want. Dorje i swear on my life i will get you.

[Anri]

To everyone in abs that think they are working on lawfirms. There are no more rules and laws. You think the Cats can be a pain in the ass. You watch next age how we treat scum like Dorje.

[sinful]

Ahhh the sweet smell of Simians getting pounded into oblivion by HoH. It smells so very good and it puts a smile on my face to see it.

GO HOH !

[sinful]

To everyone in abs that think they are working on lawfirms. There are no more rules and laws. You think the Cats can be a pain in the ass. You watch next age how we treat scum like Dorje.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah.

All bark and no bite, that's what Simians is.

[tak3shi]

To everyone in abs that think they are working on lawfirms. There are no more rules and laws. You think the Cats can be a pain in the ass. You watch next age how we treat scum like Dorje.

you're dumb, you can claim hoh and sanc cant claim you. Your daddy owns utopia? 1 rule for simians and the rest of you just bow!

[calle]

nr. 1 why Hoh get a lot of land is simians dont care for this age more ,
nr 2 anri is right rules what the F is that there is none more
nr 3 sanc or abs can now never hostile wave or war more becuse we can just gb them free rember there are no more rules more.

you cant take then take back you always know you made the rules now abs will have to live with it for life time. :D dont cry when you war / wave and 5 kd wave you or hit into your war becuse rember there are NO rules more.

[Anri]

it was irony. grow a brain takeshi. dragons dont claim kds nor does one hit. I would think HoH had wanted to beat us on fair terms if they want to restore rep. I also would think rep is easier restored if you stfu.

[sinful]

nr. 1 why Hoh get a lot of land is simians dont care for this age more

ROFL

What a load of ****. Simians talked ****, noticed 3 kd's, and when Sanc started a dragon and hit Simians ran like the pussies they are to wave HoH who then declared on Simians and beat the **** out of them.