Simians Vs Sanc, HoH or Rage

[Drixx]

He edited and he still couldn't spell my name right :'(

@Drixx
Intentionally misrepresenting things is lame, but I was genuinely under the impression that that was the order of events. I corrected myself later, but if it makes you feel better, I'll even remove the portion that's incorrect. It doesn't really matter though because even in the correct order it's still hauntingly similar to what jdorje slandered my kd as 'dishonorable' for.

@tak3shi
I don't really use the forums as my own personal whining tool. It's fairly well known that there's some bad blood between jdorje and I and I'm happy to leave it at that. The point I'm getting at is that when this is done to Abs, they don't hesitate to cry fowl and call in the alliance. Yet, when they do it it Simians and Simians cries fowl, they're just a bunch of stupid nubs who are getting what they deserve.

My bad Palem. I didn't see your correction.

[jamin]

I just have a few questions. Yes I'm in HoH so blah blah bias..

If Simian's didnt hit us and replied to Sanct's hits with a wave as an intent to war, HoH would never have hit back. If you think we are stupid enough to pump in preparation for Simian's wave, then eat a free wave you really don't know how to play this game very well. At the time of Sanctuary hitting simians bank and declaring intentions and sending a dragon did we hit them? Once we did wave Simians did Sanct keep attacking? Last question, if your target kd was in fort and you intended to war them, would you full wave them in fortified and give them the button so they can rape you once they press it?

In a ghetto example, forgetting the big names involved:

KD 2 notices KD 1 and 3 that they will wave.
KD 1 gets a few hits on KD 2 waiting for them to go out of fort until they full wave.
KD 2 decides to wave KD 3 despite intentions, a dragon, a bank hit and a promise to wave once fort is up from KD 1.
KD 1 waves KD 2.
KD 3 says, hell we aren't giving them a free wave and builds hostilities with a few hits then presses button.

If this was an every day occurrence between 3 random kingdoms KD 2 would just be like, oh well that didn't turn out very well, stupid move on our part... and then move on. The rest of the uto world would continue to rotate in a clockwise direction, the toilets would still flush differently in Australia and Michael Jackson would still be dead.

[goodz]

Man, I finally read all of this. I took the weekend off for a wedding so a lot to read.

Seems to me Sanctuary and Rage started a dragon, this showed a clear intent to war.

Simians cleared up Rage so that only 1 KD would be warring them. They should have been ready to war sanctuary.

When CF terms ended Sanctuary made hits on Simians, it seems simians at this point failed to diplo a CF with sanctuary and should have started retaliating or continued training to get ready for the conflict.

Instead simians waved another KD. At this point Sanctuary has already invested in a dragon, and made some hits on you. Personally if I was dorje depending on how much free land I had taken I might have been willing to leave simians alone until after their war with HoH in exchange for 1 free wave. But really imo they could have kept hitting without any real issue simians choose to run from them without arranging a cf. When there is only 2-3 targets a dragon and a few hits should be enough to count as a hostile especially if you tell them you will give the button when they leave fortified.

Anri you have failed in my mind. Few will ever look back at this as anything but you miss judging a situation...

[AquaSeaFoam]

It's fairly well known that there's some bad blood between jdorje and I and I'm happy to leave it at that. The point I'm getting at is that when this is done to Abs, they don't hesitate to cry fowl and call in the alliance. Yet, when they do it it Simians and Simians cries fowl, they're just a bunch of stupid nubs who are getting what they deserve.

Come on Palem, that's a pretty big exaggeration isn't it? I had a discussion with you about the situation, and I give you permission to post it here for viewing if you like, but it was a pretty reasonable talk wasn't it? Did "the alliance" touch you after you continued opping sanc into their hostile? As far as I know, there was no alliance involvement and you and I just had a two-way discussion about why you felt you needed to op them into the hostile.

[tak3shi]

Actually its what did rage age 51 and blamed after it rest 2 kds for his choice. Sure simians didn't act so proper, because they should know Its not first time when ABS kd in same situation act same and keep hit his target ever if he waved another kd. Its was hard situation for Simians.
Gave notice all same time was very bad move. Yes most possible there will be notice from sanctuary right after simians notice hoh, but you will have legit reason to tell them your "hostile" with hoh are first and they need to hold it for finish.

In short Sanctuary is double more lame for get advantage on newbie for being so n00b.

There's no such logic, since when do newbies deserve any more chance to crown? Which sport in the world has that nonsensical rule? You already saw my earlier explanation. If Simians didn't want this **** then they shouldn't have noticed sanctuary, simple. U poke the bear now u get mauled and cry wtf is this rubbish.

[tak3shi]

No, when jdorje wants to call my play "dishonorable" and then does this, I'm compelled to say something.



I'm not solely blaming anyone of anything. This isn't the first time Simians have goofed this age with not considering consequences. They assume things will go as they planned and when they don't they have a hard time getting the train back on the tracks.

What I am doing is calling out jdorje for calling my kd dirty when they're pulling pretty much the EXACT same thing that we did to them and within mere hours, before their own leadership bothered to try and talk with me I've got abs leaders breathing down my neck. No, you can't call another kd dishonorable for doing something and then later come back, do it to someone else, and claim the moral high ground.



Do you think HoH was just going to let Simians get away with their acres in a conflict with Sanc? HoH was most definitely going to respond. It's safe to say it was a double hostile.


To say that Simians and Sanc are currently hostile is not entirely accurate either. Tag something else. Sanctuary waiting on Simians. Sanc Vulturing Simians. Something else because as it stands currently, it's most definitely not Sanc vs Simians.

There has always been scenarios where kd's eat the wave, due to diplo or not being ready. You can never assume things.

[tak3shi]

He edited and he still couldn't spell my name right :'(

@Drixx
Intentionally misrepresenting things is lame, but I was genuinely under the impression that that was the order of events. I corrected myself later, but if it makes you feel better, I'll even remove the portion that's incorrect. It doesn't really matter though because even in the correct order it's still hauntingly similar to what jdorje slandered my kd as 'dishonorable' for.

@tak3shi
I don't really use the forums as my own personal whining tool. It's fairly well known that there's some bad blood between jdorje and I and I'm happy to leave it at that. The point I'm getting at is that when this is done to Abs, they don't hesitate to cry fowl and call in the alliance. Yet, when they do it it Simians and Simians cries fowl, they're just a bunch of stupid nubs who are getting what they deserve.

Sorry I really don't get this, can you show me threads where abs have cried foul recently? I can pull a bunch of stupid threads by Anri and maybe some by Proteus but do you have any threads of abs crying so I can review it. Let's just give this an objective view, statement followed by evidence.

[goodz]

There has always been scenarios where kd's eat the wave, rage is one. You can never assume things.

It was a double hostile that only ghettos normally get themselves in. Sometimes low level KD's get into a conflict and dont CF. Why simians thought they should get into a conflict then hit a different KD while still involved in that conflict is beyond me but yea... its just baffling. I think either sanctuary or hoh should have offered anri an immediate CF in return for a free wave after the war but I am unsure if anri would have even accepted...

[tak3shi]

I wont remake Dreams but promise to make all what you accuse me. So be careful what you/asf talk.
You guys never lie so i must make it become true.

lol elit weren't you gonna stop derailing trains... I mean threads.

What if I accused you of being a pedo rapist would you go out and prove my "lies" right too? U take things too seriously you need some valium and a lot of chill pill.

[tak3shi]

It was a double hostile that only ghettos normally get themselves in. Sometimes low level KD's get into a conflict and dont CF. Why simians thought they should get into a conflict then hit a different KD while still involved in that conflict is beyond me but yea... its just baffling. I think either sanctuary or hoh should have offered anri an immediate CF in return for a free wave after the war but I am unsure if anri would have even accepted...

The only logical explanation was that they would could cry double hostile when they had no chance of winning anything. I've looked at their builds and setup and I don't think they would have been able to withstand any of the top 3 kd's. Their survey in itself is hilarious.

[Palem]

Hey, I had a nice, mostly pleasant chat (given the circumstances) with you and even Drixx previously on the matter. I have no problem with Rage. But you did make it very clear to me that what we were doing would typically cause the alliance to respond, even after I said a few times that getting abs involved would be a bad move. But you never DID say that abs wasn't going to step in on account of Sanc because you said you would get back to me and never did :(. On top of that, Sanc leadership got a hold of me the next day and was quickly resolved so there may have just not been enough time for Rage get switched around and start razing, or whatever they would have tried to do.

So yes, rage didn't get involved but for all I know that could be attributed to many other things aside from deciding that you shouldn't. That said, I do appreciate Rage's non-involvement :)

The fact does certainly remain though. We did something similar to Sanc and they immediately cried to their allies about it.

[Elit]

There's no such logic, since when do newbies deserve any more chance to crown? Which sport in the world has that nonsensical rule? You already saw my earlier explanation. If Simians didn't want this **** then they shouldn't have noticed sanctuary, simple. U poke the bear now u get mauled and cry wtf is this rubbish.

You miss my logic. Its not about gave mercy to Simians because they are newbie. Sanctuary is good enough to war/beat simians/most kds in fair fight 1vs1. I I'm sure HoH wanted fair 1vs1 war too.
In every sport win matter only if you get it fair. Simians idea was in general correct and good but they didn't make it proper. Its because they are for first time in top land chart position. For this blame them so hard is not objective. Sure Sanctuary have his good reason to insist Simians to war with them, but when you see its wont happen most honorable is to back off and let Simians to have his fair 1vs1 war with hoh. Sanc simple used Simians mistake to make his Double Hostile semy-legit. Nor Sanc/hoh/simians win from it in long term.

[Lykron]

The only logical explanation was that they would could cry double hostile when they had no chance of winning anything. I've looked at their builds and setup and I don't think they would have been able to withstand any of the top 3 kd's. Their survey in itself is hilarious.

if that is the case then Anri did a huge mistake by overestimating his kingdom and/or underestimating their opponents. it makes sense then that when he saw sanctuary's setup and realised he'd be owned, his best move was to put himself in a position from where he could either avoid sanc or cry double hostile later and thus justify his failure. tho i doubt he can blame sanctuary for the farmage HoH is giving him now.

[tak3shi]

You miss my logic. Its not about gave mercy to Simians because they are newbie. Sanctuary is good enough to war/beat simians/most kds in fair fight 1vs1. I I'm sure HoH wanted fair 1vs1 war too.
In every sport win matter only if you get it fair. Simians idea was in general correct and good but they didn't make it proper. Its because they are for first time in top land chart position. For this blame them so hard is not objective. Sure Sanctuary have his good reason to insist Simians to war with them, but when you see its wont happen most honorable is to back off and let Simians to have his fair 1vs1 war with hoh. Sanc simple used Simians mistake to make his Double Hostile semy-legit. Nor Sanc/hoh/simians win from it in long term.

Wrong look at goodz explanation, it's as neutral as it can get.

[Elit]

Wrong look at goodz explanation, it's as neutral as it can get.

Sure his post remind me age 51 and rage :)

It was a double hostile that only ghettos normally get themselves in. Sometimes low level KD's get into a conflict and dont CF.

I agree you need to CF one kd before move to other conflict. Its basic knowledge. From other side its was used many times from ghetto to run from one kd with make hostile/war with another. And first kd still keep feed for free. Look like this age TOP was turned to real regular ghetto play.