@DHaran -- What is the exact quote that triggered you to see this as something against the rules? I'm following everything you are saying and I don't understand why people keep replying the way they are (as if they aren't comprehending you), but for me, I think maybe it would help if you quoted the exact comment that Anri (or whoever) made. I can't seem to find it.
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@DHaran: Definition/context may be irrelevant to an admin because when it comes to something being reported it must be investigated anyway. When it comes to your own opinion, it makes quite a world of difference. Also, about your learn attacks comment. In my last war, this age, we did like 40 learns in 2 waves (2 trads, 2 learns per wave). This ended up costing us about 10k acres in the war, but every single one of my players will tell you it was well worth it.
@Palem: What TheRock said is true.
@Lennox:
In context, Anri states how they planned to have a long hostile/war with HoH, but Sanc's interference killed the morale of their kingdom so in turn they ended up getting farmed by HoH. DHaran believes this means that Simians is intentionally giving HoH the acres to put them in the #1 spot so that Sanc can't crown the age. The reality is that the word "farming" is used so much now that Anri simply means that his kingdom is losing a ton of acres and is ok with that because it may allow them a better position for a better war after.Originally Posted by Anri
Last edited by Ezzerland; 26-07-2012 at 02:38.
Thank you. And as I have already stated, those that are most to 'blame' for that mindset (as if it is an actionable offence...) on Simians side are the ones who are still army in-out doing what they can.
Like I said, if you think it's shady talk to Bishop. Otherwise what's your problem DHaran?
Last edited by ZodZilla; 26-07-2012 at 02:42.
I'm dumbfounded by all of this. So let me get this straight.
Scenario 1
Kingdom A Farms out to Kingdom B but doesn't come on forums and say they're doing it.
Allowed or Disallowed?
Scenario 2
Kingdom A Farms out to Kingdom B and 1 member of the kingdom comes on the forums and says "Hey we are going to farm out to Kingdom B to troll Kingdom C".
Allowed or Disallowed?
Scenario 3
Kingdom A and Kingdom B are allies and Kingdom A farms out to Kingdom B but says it wasn't intentional farming, this was prearranged as terms and conditions to continue with an EoACF.
Allowed or Disallowed?
Is it just me or is the rule on farming out a massive grey area based entirely on opinions and trolls? This was the reason I brought up my original famous thread and ended up asking that the rules are clarified and standardized so they are black and white, and fair no matter what scenario. If you can't find a way to make a rule as mentioned, then all above scenarios should either be allowed (and change the name of Utopia to Farmtopia) or disallowed. If it is selective and up to discretion then if 1 particular scenario is allowed, but the rest are not (even though the result of all 3 scenarios is the same), then every kingdom could theoretically follow the allowed scenario and get away with it.
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Who was deleted for farming?
The funny part is that HoH is the true FSU kd... they totally trolled Rage and stole the crown.
No Charity Crowns for Rage this age!
The players have always policed farming and this isn't farming so the players won't police it.
June 3 of YR10 Alas, the once proud province of The Marijuana Farm has collapsed and lies in ruins.
I don't know what triggers that message except a province losing all peasants, unless the message from snatch news doesn't give away the cause of province death.
From what I understand a large part of it was due to him not being able to log phone (main log method) due to new chat thingy. I suppose we should get deleted for that too?
Last edited by ZodZilla; 26-07-2012 at 05:17.
I just find it funny. When HoH first came back they got a lot of flak for playing dirty. Now Rage/Sanc have done so many shady things and HoH hasn't done stupid diplom/notice bullish everyone on the server is happy when HoH wins so they've won like 3 ages now? Although sanc and I have managed to abide by the no douche rule for a few ages now.
Last edited by flogger; 26-07-2012 at 05:53.
I believe this is HoH's second crown, my first (if it happens- the whole counting chickens proverb).
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Rage got trolololllolol
It's cute that you think you are in a position to call Rage "shady" Mr. "I lead another kingdoms war to get you in a position to get farmed" or is it Mr. "I think threatening to or actually doing multiple kingdom gangbangs is equivalent to following the exact lines of the deal/robbing bio".
PS. You played a dirty round, Rage played a relatively clean one. The only thing you can say we didn't do "cleanly" was noticing you at a time you didn't like. Even that is a pretty huge stretch.
Last edited by Mal; 26-07-2012 at 06:13.
You realize i've played in abs, right? Do you think when in abs we never helped eachother in council with eachothers wars? We had ASF/Dorje/Me/Rock ALL helping trinity vs Sonata one age. If its Dirty then I first did it in abs.
Leadership is very very hard to find these days. If an ally of mine has their leaders all on vacation I don't find it dirty to help them not get farmed. Do you?
The point of notice deals that aren't to be given during hostile/war/eow is to not have to deal with other kingdoms when you're hostile/war/eow. Giving it 1 hour before a notice expires with another kingdom is nothing but lame. If you can't be trusted to be not do lame things with notices, I suppose the easiest solution is to just ensure that kingdom doesn't get notice deals.
Given that Rage screwed over OS by backing out of the deal I made with them to frickin help them when they got dealbroken with hellrazor and then used that notice bull vs BIO to get a free wave on us its obviously clear that Rage under their current leadership doesn't ever feel like fighting someone without some sort of advantage via lame diplomacy, I find it quite humorous that they spent all age not fighting any legit wars and just doing whatever they could to try to gain acres, yet they won't crown and severely hurt their diplomacy ability going forward. I couldn't be happier with the result.
As for the fight with Cats. I admitted I should have been more active in seeking them out on IRC to try to resolve the issue prior to taking it where I took it. The level I took it was a drastic one and I should have done more before going there.
However I don't believe anyone should op someone for months without stopping and not responding to in-game messages to resolve it. Prior to cats last age, the only kingdoms I'm aware of that did that were shells and they generally got gangbanged. The only difference here is that cats weren't a shell and they're lovable.
obviously simians was xlogging again. probably on both sides of the war
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