Rage vs Psych Ward and bio too?

[baka]

The two situation differences are inconsequential when you consider that the excuse given last age was "we were forced to train up."

I've taught you well Meeni. You're speaking Abs-lish now.

[TheRock]

The two situation differences are inconsequential when you consider that the excuse given last age was "we were forced to train up."

I assume you have some logs or a link to a post where this excuse was given?

http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...1#post15171981

Apparently simians thought they could notice us and we wouldn't hit them. They weren't hostile, we hit. We told them we would hit more and take them to war as soon as they left fortified. They decided it'd be clever to leave fortified and make some htis on hoh into fortified Really Quick and then claim we couldn't hit them more.

One of the dumbest moves I have seen in a long time. I don't know what hoh will do, but now that they are out of fortified sanc will take them to war.

http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...6#post15171966

* We broke ceasefire with you first.
* We sent dragon against you first.
* We hit you first.

By no standards can you claim to be hostile to hoh, unless you choose to wave them after we're already hostiling you.

Hurry up and leave fortified and stop the lameness.

I think you may be referring to this post, which expresses jdorje's sentiments about the multiple-noticing situation but doesn't say "we will wave you because we had to train"

http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...3#post15171953

Noticing three kingdoms with the explicit purpose of forcing 2 of them to train and be too nice to hit you = lame.

We did the same thing to pulse and inzo two ages ago. At least then we had the reasoning that pulse had been sitting in fortified for a week and had no intention of leaving, and offered to re-cf inzo if pulse would leave fort.

Looking forward to your response. In my many conversations with Sanctuary, their opinion from the moment Simians' intentions were clear was that, given that they hadn't gotten a war the entire age, they wanted to fight Simians. They intended to notice Simians, but Simians gave notice to all three kingdoms instead. I will speak with jdorje and get the appropriate logs this evening.

Please cite an appropriate source when responding, let's keep this fact-based. Thanks.

[Awesomeness]

why so serious?

Hour 14

Psych Ward: Total Networth 11,190,031gc Total Land 79,887 acres

Rage: Total Networth 9,744,589gc Total Land 73,831 acres

Rage seems a wave down and with a human hit down.

[Syntico]

Thanks for your updates Awesomeness, the boards is my only source for this war's updates. Someone post paper BLZ?

[octobrev]

Is bio actually hitting into the war or is everyone still mad about that single hand full of hits?

[Syntico]

Is bio actually hitting into the war or is everyone still mad about that single hand full of hits?

I'm not in Rage but I'm still pretty mad.

[Awesomeness]

I'm not even mad at all

[flogger]

Bottom line is Bio is the only kingdom that's willing to cross the line.

Rage once made 4 full waves into my hostile with sanc, told me to CF them once sanc declared war on us otherwise they'd keep hitting into war, I did, then broke CF and waved me as soon as I got out of end of war claiming "we were still hostile". BIO appears to have made 7 hits. Granted you weren't there at the time but there are many people on both sides that have been willing to "cross that line" in recent memory.

[Palem]

Top kds are funny.
Whether or not top kds do something scummy depends absolutely 0% on what the "Utopian Ethics" say. It's whether or not they can come up with SOME lame excuse to justify their own actions.

Can we please stop pretending the top kds have a shred of ethics in them and they just do what they think they need to do to win.

[Ruukis]

Top kds are funny.
Whether or not top kds do something scummy depends absolutely 0% on what the "Utopian Ethics" say. It's whether or not they can come up with SOME lame excuse to justify their own actions.

Can we please stop pretending the top kds have a shred of ethics in them and they just do what they think they need to do to win.

+1,

[Elit]

I'm not sure why every time when its come to lame play from ABS in my mind come first Rage and every time i gave examples from Sanc. LoL
For example age 45? Sanc made full wave on Sonata in active hostile (both kds trade hits) because they did 1 random. Excuse was if you do random hostile is not active more. Sure its not related to situation now but Rage did other what pissed off Bio so they pay for it.
At this point Rock stop make big post with explain facts because its dont matter at all. What is important there are ppl feeling :)

[TheRock]

I'm not sure why every time when its come to lame play from ABS in my mind come first Rage and every time i gave examples from Sanc. LoL
For example age 45? Sanc made full wave on Sonata in active hostile (both kds trade hits) because they did 1 random. Excuse was if you do random hostile is not active more. Sure its not related to situation now but Rage did other what pissed off Bio so they pay for it.
At this point Rock stop make big post with explain facts because its dont matter at all. What is important there are ppl feeling :)

I only ask for facts when people claim someone said something or did something and I can't find it to be true.

If someone is going to say, "Sanctuary said this", they should be able to show me that Sanctuary really did say that. Otherwise, that's just making things up.

If we're allowed to make up quotes and statements, you and I are best friends, according to logs that don't exist :D (Sorry hesus)

[goodz]

I only ask for facts when people claim someone said something or did something and I can't find it to be true.

If someone is going to say, "Sanctuary said this", they should be able to show me that Sanctuary really did say that. Otherwise, that's just making things up.

If we're allowed to make up quotes and statements, you and I are best friends, according to logs that don't exist :D (Sorry hesus)

A lot is said outside of the forums :P.

But to be fair utopia is old, and if people can gain advantage from a situation they usually well regardless of morale standing. ABS imo is better behaved then most of the independents, but it is also usually much easier for them to double hostile, and its a lot more obvious who their allies are compared to groups that work together but don't tag.

I can easily recall a situation in which BIO triple hostile and raze killed into my kingdom ;) Does that mean for all eternity I should be able to hit into their hostiles and wars?

You can justify what is advantages to them, and they scream foul when bad stuff happens.

One of the few kingdoms I have had hit into my hostiles etc. and then agree to give me back free hits even if my KD is no threat is HoH. I hope they crown some more :P Rage/Bio/Sanctuary have hit into active hostiles of mine usually early in age and refused to give a free retal to me as my KD is not strong enough to make them care. As such I have no issues with them hitting into each others hostile :D

[TheRock]

A lot is said outside of the forums :P.

But to be fair utopia is old, and if people can gain advantage from a situation they usually well regardless of morale standing. ABS imo is better behaved then most of the independents, but it is also usually much easier for them to double hostile, and its a lot more obvious who their allies are compared to groups that work together but don't tag.

I can easily recall a situation in which BIO triple hostile and raze killed into my kingdom ;) Does that mean for all eternity I should be able to hit into their hostiles and wars?

You can justify what is advantages to them, and they scream foul when bad stuff happens.

Of course a lot is said outside the forums. I also asked for logs, which are outside the forums. I just want a quote of some kind that shows that what people say was said actually was said. That's not unreasonable. If people say "dorje said this", they should reasonably be able to show him actually saying it. Given that what was said contradicts what I just showed dorje as saying, I'd like to see him saying otherwise.

[Elit]

If someone is going to say, "Sanctuary said this", they should be able to show me that Sanctuary really did say that. Otherwise, that's just making things up.

If we're allowed to make up quotes and statements, you and I are best friends, according to logs that don't exist :D (Sorry hesus)

Its not important what excuse gave X (so no point from logs), important is what they did. Sanc wave Sonata in active hostile, its fact. ABS GB age 50 Dreams,fact. Fact is they wanted to GB this kd from age begin. Why to gb? Dont matter in real. Fact is hellrazor hate ABS and deal breack them every time when he can. Why? its don't matter to ppl in ABS. Fact is giving notice few h before real war start is lame and deal abuse but rage did it age 50 and age 54. They had his reasons but this dont change fact they acted lame.
Fact is i have so many reasons to GB/raze oow rage and much more but i still play fair to them.

My point is: if you want you can find reason/excuse to do any lame act, but this still dont make it fair and ok act. Only make ppl to return it in future. Example: situation now.