Evil Dragons...

[Dynalon]

More conclusion
Utopiannoob1 -> Also oblivious, can't read

Probably coz TLDR >_<
Took me a while to understand what everyone said too, too lazy to scroll all over the place.\
Not mention English is not my first language


Here's summarize for others as well
--- For last age
SillyRabbits admitted war 25 strippers vs 20 prov ED
SillyRabbits admitted they robbed into ED eowcf
ED was in the weak side

--- For this age
ED admitted they robbing into Strippers eowcf
Now ED waving into Strippers, and Strippers trying to get out of it
Stripper now on the "weak side"


People opinions are different. 100 people = 100 opinion
I say, the bullier got bullied. Though I hardly say stripper on weak side at this moment

[Persain]

Here are my three reasonable counteroffers:
1) 5 hour CF followed by war. This must be accepted in the next 73 minutes.
2) We razekill 5 of your provinces, then all 24 members of your kingdom post here publicly acknowledging that we are the better kingdom and apologizing for their rude and hurtful words.
3) Your kingdom disbands.

They'll take the razekills and cry...its not hard to predict based on watching that kd over the past few ages...gogo Zauper

[Korp]

Dynalon - Learn to read, he said he dont mind the plunders even in the post above yours.

You are trying to force a war with a kingdom that's barely in ur range because they beat you last age...rest assured no kingdom will war you if this is how you respond to a loss ..

Barely in your range? Are you dense or something? There is a 500k nw difference between them, thats optimal range as it can get. Barely in their range would them being closer to 12 million nw.

So you've already raze kiled a kingdom...and now you plan on raze killin stripper provs also...so its not just strrippers you are dirty to its the entire server...

Are you a roro? Either way they raze killed one province not a whole kingdom that would be absurd. How does that turn into the whole server?

[silverfox]

I quite honestly can't see the point of all these posts.

Strippers position and feelings on the matter are very clear, so are Evil Dragons so why are we going around in circles debating something that doesn't need debated?

Lets not be overly dramatic here, the current land sizes are:

ED: 40,447 acres
Strippers: 38,854 acres

The gap was even smaller when we first started attacks and the NWA different was ~10 or so.

You make it sound like we're pushing around a KD half our size... Yes we have the advantage of being better prepared and yes we have 2 more provinces, it is also true that the chances of you winning a war from that position is very slim, but so what?

Life and utopia aren't always fair, even if you had 4 days to pump you'd be one less province than us and that guy who's just came OOP would still be without sci/wpa, ergo we would never have a "fair war" this age. Again I'll point to your 5 wars already, are you trying to tell us that you've never had the upper hand in any of those wars? If you haven't always had the upper hand then why back down when you don't have it now?

It's very simple, when people target search for wars they generally look for KDs they believe they can beat so there is almost always someone who has an advantage to some degree. If you wanted to avoid all of this then all you had to do was push the button and war us, that would have ruled out your T/Ms sitting eating massacre waves and would remove the option of razes but still you ignore options available and complain.

I'll be honest, after we'd started hitting you and I'd seen some messages from your KD I questioned the logic in our actions and if it was worth it over what "could" have just been miscommunication along with us having some people with big mouths and acting like dicks towards people at times as well, but having read the stuff in here any sympathy is long dead & buried.

[KennyPowers]

I'll summarize my feelings. Use game mechanics however you can to gain an advantage don't worry about peoples feelings. Fun is different for everyone. Some like to climb charts, others like to enforce their moral code. Some kingdoms won't war if they feel it would be a sure loss, others don't care if they're bored they'll do it. If they have fun razekilling that's their thing. I made this account after some years in hopes to clarify how all this hate started. ED has fun policing, we have fun warring, but we just won't walk into a sure loss. ED walked into a sure loss last age that was their choice(not trying to be cocky but as you said we had big advantages going in we'd have to sleepwalk through that war to lose). Just disappointing to me because was really looking forward to the war.

[Utopiannoob1]

I'm sorry what did I misread??

And what about my post was a wrong...

Its obvious that if you guys don't get ur way you start killing provs so that's what I meant about being dirty to entire. Server...if it was just strippers you were bulying that's one thing but there's that other kingdom also...and why wouldn't I think you. Would treat all kingdoms the same you've treated the two already mentioned

And how dare you call me a roro...um what is a roro??

[Utopiannoob1]

Took a couple mins to look at both ur kingdoms and I laughed my ass off...with all the talk about taking on bigger kingdoms I thought dragons would be smaller than strippers....but no they are much much larger plus they have more provinces...I thought you guys were cool for a second but I was wrong

You are trying to force a war with a kingdom that's barely in ur range because they beat you last age...rest assured no kingdom will war you if this is how you respond to a loss ..

So you've already raze kiled a kingdom...and now you plan on raze killin stripper provs also...so its not just strrippers you are dirty to its the entire server...

And good game strippers for not letting them bait you into a war with those tactics.

And id say their actions make it clear they are afraid to face strippers on equal footing just courious what was the nw difference when the attacks started??

[SillyRabbit]

It's very simple, when people target search for wars they generally look for KDs they believe they can beat so there is almost always someone who has an advantage to some degree. If you wanted to avoid all of this then all you had to do was push the button and war us, that would have ruled out your T/Ms sitting eating massacre waves and would remove the option of razes but still you ignore options available and complain.

There hasn't been a single kd that has waved us this age that we have not warred. Though we also havent been OOW for very long as we were arranging wars while in postwar cf. We intended to war you guys, what don't you get? All I asked for was 96 hours, you guys would have still had the upper hand even after that time. I said very clearly that if you waved out the gate we would not war. I'm sure there are some players in your kd who are wishing you guys just held off and we could have warred and maybe you would have won and we would admit you are the better kd fair and square. Instead you've taken this route and we havent done a single op or attack and you continue razing us believing you are in the right. There is no right or wrong any more, the community will judge the actions of both kds and form their own opinions. Will this thread get you to back off? Probably not. We are just reporting in on the facts.

--- For last age
SillyRabbits admitted war 25 strippers vs 20 prov ED
SillyRabbits admitted they robbed into ED eowcf
ED was in the weak side

--- For this age
ED admitted they robbing into Strippers eowcf
Now ED waving into Strippers, and Strippers trying to get out of it
Stripper now on the "weak side"

You left out the part where both kds agreed to war last age, and this age we asked for a few more days of down-time before war, a message that was simply ignored.

[flutterby]

Just because you asked for a few more days does not mean you get a few more days. That is the problem with this game anymore, everyone seems to think that it is all about notices and agreements.
Evil Dragons is an old school kingdom. They existed in a world where notices and the current agreements didn't exist and I think, honestly, that is my favorite part about having them back. They're not
going to sit around playing patty cake til you decided to do something. They'll come ... ready or not.

[Persain]

There hasn't been a single kd that has waved us this age that we have not warred.

thats because u guys bait smaller kds u think u have the uper hand against into waveing you or u wave a kd that has zero chance at a war win and hope they'll declare.

You left out the part where both kds agreed to war last age,

and last age is all well and good if u didnt treat their kd badly when u beat them....this is their response because

problem with this game anymore, everyone seems to think that it is all about notices and agreements. Evil Dragons is an old school kingdom. They existed in a world where notices and the current agreements didn't exist

their play style is to repay not just walk away because its not worth their time.

[divine]

We do not regard their plundering as dirty. We stole from them, they can steal from us. It wasnt until after their plunders that I asked for a few days. Like Korp said, if they waited 6 weeks to war us why not just wait a few more days? Sure, you don't owe us that time. We just thought you would have preferred a war with us instead of whatever it is we are doing now.

The way you word things it sounds like you think it was dirty of us to keep on hitting after being suggested that you get 4 days. On the other hand last age we agreed to war in two days last age and you kept stealing that entire time. Sorry but i just dont understand that. How is it okay for your kingdom to keep offensive actions up once a date to war is set (not complaining just mentioning it) but it is dirty from ED to keep offensive actions up after we turn your offer to wait down? When i look at those facts it seem like your actions are a lot worse but still you keeping hostile actions going made you honourable and when ED keep hostile actions up they are dirty bullies?

Are you saying that you had preferred a war? Why is it to late now? Are you saying you admit defeat and are willing to surrender to ED? That would be best done in a war wouldnt it?

Silly you like to mention "facts".

How about this

Last age
strippers started to trash talk 36 hours into the war
Some from ED answered once the war ended and the war forums got a bit dirty from both sides (even if i think both kingdoms showed they have nice people too)
This age
strippers starts the age trash talking in forum
ED ask for a war
strippers continue to trash talk
ED waves strippers after 6 weeks of strippers trash talking
strippers continue to trash talk while asking for four days to prepare
strippers continue to trash talk while asking for CF

That is the way i understand things up until now. Now what will be the next move from strippers?

Divine
Evil Dragons

[Parth]

We're not trying to force anyone to war us. We're happy where we are at...well, a war would have been more fun, but we are not and should not complain about our situation. I hope we haven't come across as whiny, cause its not our intention. We are quite happy now, as we've been most of the age. I don't wanna hand out life lessons, but I think its about controlling your own faith. I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul, and all that jazz. Its the road to self fulfillment. Those that feel that they do NOT posses control over their own faith should try it. Its great. *hint hint*

[Arka]

The only reason we (ED) have a grudge against you is because you were dicks in the war froum.

Last Age
1.) We wanted a war and messaged you with 25 provinces and we had 20 while we were in our EOWCF and then you stole our gcs we needed to rebuild.
2.) We agreed to a 72 hour war based on land only that you won by 200ish acres.
3.) You started stealing our gold in EOWCF
4.) You waved us out of EOWCF
5.) We declared war.
6.) You message us at 48 hour mark and say war is over and we should surrender and you will give us tips on how to war.
7.) We surrender after 72 hours like agreed and someone from our side makes a war tips thread on the forums and offers tips on warring which i believe included the reasons we lost and what we should have done different.
8.) Your KDs immediate response was to flame him and say we suck.

This Age
1.) We found out where you were to right before our 3rd war.
2.) You were not in our size range so we looked for other people.
3.) We went to war with a KD 120% our nw and it went on for 8 days.
4.) we got out of EOWCF.
5.) You were now our size but in an EOWCF
6.) We waited till day 3 and Plundered your gcs.
7.) When you came out of EOWCF we waved you more.
8.) Despite being only 500k nw difference and actually having better attackers...If you look at our KD page most of our "Heavy Attackers" as they are apparently called now are 1k acres (they had to explore from 300 acres after the last war) while yours are much larger.
9.) You ran.

That is why this is going on. We lost the war to the terms we agreed on, we dont care about that. You guys were dicks in the war forums after, and now you wont agree to a war because you do not have the upper hand like last time.

[silverfox]

Took a couple mins to look at both ur kingdoms and I laughed my ass off...with all the talk about taking on bigger kingdoms I thought dragons would be smaller than strippers....but no they are much much larger plus they have more provinces...I thought you guys were cool for a second but I was wrong

You are trying to force a war with a kingdom that's barely in ur range because they beat you last age...rest assured no kingdom will war you if this is how you respond to a loss ..

So you've already raze kiled a kingdom...and now you plan on raze killin stripper provs also...so its not just strrippers you are dirty to its the entire server...

And good game strippers for not letting them bait you into a war with those tactics.

And id say their actions make it clear they are afraid to face strippers on equal footing just courious what was the nw difference when the attacks started??

8% more NW and 4% land difference is "massive" now is it? So by your logic there are a total of 2 KDs in the entire game we should war, considering the KD bigger than us has +600k NW more and the KDs lower than us have -300k then -400k and then 2 KDs on -500k one of which is Strippers...

We've razed one KD (one province) who made excuses and backed off out of a war with us while being razed to stay small, I might have been away for awhile but I've always considered land dropping to be lame and there are even ingame mechanics designed to stop intra-KD razing but some lame KDs need to "cheat" and find ways to work around the system, removing land from the game is bad for everyone and I'm not going to go into the mechanics of stagnation in this thread.

Thank you for speaking for the entire server, I don't know who is and isn't in strippers in this thread but what I do know is people have msged us to say what we're doing is right because they clearly have a grudge vs. strippers, though I have no idea what caused it. On the plus side if the whole server refuses to war us maybe we can crown next age running just 5 DPA and everyone will be like "meh not waring those raze killing noobs".

There hasn't been a single kd that has waved us this age that we have not warred. Though we also havent been OOW for very long as we were arranging wars while in postwar cf. We intended to war you guys, what don't you get? All I asked for was 96 hours, you guys would have still had the upper hand even after that time. I said very clearly that if you waved out the gate we would not war. I'm sure there are some players in your kd who are wishing you guys just held off and we could have warred and maybe you would have won and we would admit you are the better kd fair and square. Instead you've taken this route and we havent done a single op or attack and you continue razing us believing you are in the right. There is no right or wrong any more, the community will judge the actions of both kds and form their own opinions. Will this thread get you to back off? Probably not. We are just reporting in on the facts.

Yet you refuse to war us, even when war is clearly the best option for your KD.

Conclusion is:

- Your pride won't let you fight a war you don't think you can win, even though your pride was writing checks that your ass couldn't cash earlier in the age.
- You legitimately have no idea what you're doing and think sitting there feeling sorry for yourself is the best resolution.
- You're waiting for the white knights of the community to come and condemn ED into us stopping hits.

What you should realise however is that some wheels in motion cannot be stopped. It makes no sense for ED to not see through it's actions, as we've already showed our hand and will have to deal with the consequences, to back out now would be foolish.

Every hero needs their villain, someone has to play the role.

[anti-fun]

The way you word things it sounds like you think it was dirty of us to keep on hitting after being suggested that you get 4 days. On the other hand last age we agreed to war in two days last age and you kept stealing that entire time. Sorry but i just dont understand that. How is it okay for your kingdom to keep offensive actions up once a date to war is set (not complaining just mentioning it) but it is dirty from ED to keep offensive actions up after we turn your offer to wait down? When i look at those facts it seem like your actions are a lot worse but still you keeping hostile actions going made you honourable and when ED keep hostile actions up they are dirty bullies?

Are you saying that you had preferred a war? Why is it to late now? Are you saying you admit defeat and are willing to surrender to ED? That would be best done in a war wouldnt it?

Silly you like to mention "facts".

How about this

Last age
strippers started to trash talk 36 hours into the war (Cause the nw gap is over 2m and we both know its over if not why ED even bother to surrender when theres four more days to EOA)

Some from ED answered once the war ended and the war forums got a bit dirty from both sides (even if i think both kingdoms showed they have nice people too) (Both sides are at fault for the trash talking)

This age
strippers starts the age trash talking in forum (You guys started this topic trying to find us first)

ED ask for a war (you guys and strippers were warring at different times)

strippers continue to trash talk (pls check the dates in forums we already kept quiet while you guys keep thrash talking)

ED waves strippers after 6 weeks of strippers trash talking (you mean 1-2 weeks is it?,we dont even see the need to post here)

strippers continue to trash talk while asking for four days to prepare (Reasonable request since its 23v25 but you guys want war straight no kingdom will fight wars they know they will lose)
strippers continue to trash talk while asking for CF ( So you guys razekill provinces who dont war with you guys?even top kingdoms dont do that)

That is the way i understand things up until now. Now what will be the next move from strippers?

Divine
Evil Dragons