Wait so this "Strippers" kingdom IS Debauchery? If so, this all makes complete sense cuz I knew Debauchery to be a scummy kingdom before I stepped into this conversation. Raze away!
Wait so this "Strippers" kingdom IS Debauchery? If so, this all makes complete sense cuz I knew Debauchery to be a scummy kingdom before I stepped into this conversation. Raze away!
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Now tell me what's a mother to do?
Bein' real don't appeal to the brother in you.
You gotta operate the easy way.
"I made a G today," But you made it in a sleazy way.
Sellin' crack to the kids... "I gotta get paid,"
Well, hey... well that's the way it is.
council members come and go like players, fact is strippers has the same core players, same leader and are using the same underhanded tactics, its the same kd. A few players were smart enough to leave and hide past actions under better kds doesnt change the core of what strippers was last age and continues to do this age.Originally Posted by ArcDurath
u guys did not fight my kd 2-3 ages ago when we were 101% your size because we had 2 unbreakable to your 2, couldnt fight a match on even grounds. Fact that you guys only fought (when u say fight u imply u still exist or is that a lie?) kds u were 99.9% sure you could beat is the exact reason you lost, some kds are (were?) simply better.
who cares if they suck this age too, you treat the kds you war w/respect, dont have outside kds raze you to stay small, op into others people cf and you wont get kds angry at you.
Yea they retagged this age to hide from ED who said u guys were @#$@#$ last age welcome to how we do things.
Sigh, no one reads
Indeed.
I feel compelled to point out that our strategy seems to be working.
Bold mine.
You'll notice how you and brucelee refer to your kingdom as strippers for weeks during this age? So are we. Frankly, one player leaving doesn't change what people are going to refer to your kingdom as. Deal with it. Same core, same name.
Also notice the tense. Present tense, implying that you still exist. "We shared tips..." would be an example of something you'd say about a kingdom that once existed / you once played in.
Last edited by Zauper; 02-04-2013 at 16:22.
I read, i herd what you said and you can tell yourself whatever you want, either
your the same kd with a new tag or
your a "new" kd with most of the same players, the same leaders and the same dirty playstyle.
Either way calling you strippers represents who u are, attempts to avoid this
and my description of you "hiding" is probably the more accurate one.
Now you are arguing semantics? We still exist, whether we are called Strippers or Debauchery. We still continue to share tips, regardless of our current kd name. But you guys are welcome to call us whatever you like though, we are easy going :)
ED you cant expect others to bend to your whims. You created a stir based on your ideals of unethical land dropping. You justified your actions to PK us and claim you are doing the Utopian Community a favour? Subjective aint it.
We merely seek level grounds for one of our provinces raze killed in a wave by the "Sheriffs of Utopia." Personally i dont condone acts of interference into another kd's war. Neither do strippers requested for aid from us. Zauper was razekilled by my kdmates who got pretty turned off that ED raze killed another province of a kd in similar fashion as ED did us. It was just a case of us getting even and seeking justification for your actions.
You seriously cant expect us to continue offering the other cheek now do u?
So instead of doing it like real men, you do it like a bunch of cowards. If you were looking for justification for their actions im sure you have had plenty of time to raze kill a province in ED, oh wait but then they wouldnt been in war and would have fought back against you.
Last edited by Korp; 02-04-2013 at 16:57.
Getting even? You mean being cowards and hitting them when they can't hit back. I can't believe how many scummy ghettos are out there pulling this ****.
Edit: err, guess I should have continued reading, cuz Korp already said everything I wanted to say!
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my kd would, we made a pretty big spectacle last age of NW dropping to war a kd at 8 million nw when we were 17 million nw that hit us hostile (yet keeping land and chart rankings). We got our banks hit into that war for that, it ruined long term plans. Yet we responded with a war, not interfering in that kd's next fight.
So, when you compare that to:
and responding with a raze kill and at least percieved collusion with a kd known for ditry play i'd say u way crossed the line.
Last edited by Persain; 02-04-2013 at 17:07.
There is no honour among thieves. If you want to be sure not to be raze killed during your wars, you shouldn't raze kill anyone else yourself. Trying to justify raze killing a player when ur kd is larger than the others (both OOW) is just as bad as being raze killed during war. Unsullied have been a smaller kd than ED all age, undeserving of the punishment that the 'ED utopia police' dished out. They waited for a chance to strike you back when it hurts. Maybe you will learn to not razekill in the future, or maybe you will keep doing it. If you do continue, im sure Unsullied won't be the only kd razing back into you.
Consider this hypothetical scenario:
We are 6m NW. Ask a 5m NW kd to war. Sure they are in declare range, but it would clearly be a suicide mission to accept a war. Is it fair for us to razekill their prov(s) just because they don't want to enter a war with 0% chance of winning? And if we did razekill the smaller kd, I would certainly expect them to find some way to retaliate. Maybe they spend weeks growing to be larger than us and raze us back. Maybe they wait to raze us in a time it would hurt us most (as in, when we are in war).
In any case, majority of kds in the server nowadays will just finish their wave, accept a cf and move on. But ED thinks that they are entitled to war any kd they choose, and if they decline you suffer the punishment of a raze kill. How many other kds play by these standards? More importantly, how many kds in the server are OK with the way ED is choosing to play? Now I'm not saying the NW difference between ED and Unsullied was that substantial at the time, but I am wondering (among all other kds out there), how many of you will fight a war with <50% chance of winning? In general, a kd will only go to war with another if they think they have a shot at winning. Look at Mothers Advice and Sanc playing the waiting game, neither kd wants to give relations/button for fear of being at a large disadvantage. I'm sure we have all received many CFs and sent out many CFs before when the strength of your kd and the target's just don't match up. How many kds can you name that will declare war with only a 10% chance of winning? I can't think of any (well, besides us in this scenario).
And to respond to the land dropping post by JONCY, yup you have the news of us having some oversized attackers knocked down. But keep in mind we took maybe 400-600 acres off our kd, hardly putting us out of range of anyone. You are making it sound like we drop from 40k to 30k acres (which is what was happening all among the server before the intra-raze destroyed honour)
I can understand why it might look like we put Unsullied up to it. Although after all the recent developments with Unsullied even admitting they wanted revenge on their accord, I can't believe blame is still being pointed at us.
Also, other than some EoW gold stealing from provs who hadn't trained thieves, how exactly have we played dirty?
The focus here aint even abt how the act of razekilling is being delivered; in a Glorious way or Cowardly way.
Our point is simple: No matter how hard u try to justify a Razekill.. it is unethical.
Ummm, no, raze killing itself is not unethical. Razing into a war is unethical.
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1) This sounds like you're trying to say you have no issues with attacks into war. Does that mean you want the kingdoms we've asked to not RK your provs to do so? Because I suspect they'd be happy to.
2) Land dropping is lame and unethical. It has been accepted in the past that razekilling LDs is a valid response. You are allowed to disagree, that doesn't make you right, and it doesn't justify hitting into war.
Interfering in a 1v1 is completely different from attacking another kd. As for 'being a bigger kingdom', we were about 5% larger than them. OH SO SCARY.
This isn't what happened, so it's an irrelevant scenario. It's also not why we killed their prov.Consider this hypothetical scenario:
We are 6m NW. Ask a 5m NW kd to war. Sure they are in declare range, but it would clearly be a suicide mission to accept a war. Is it fair for us to razekill their prov(s) just because they don't want to enter a war with 0% chance of winning?
I would expect them to strike back in a 1v1 situation. Bringing in other kds is unethical.And if we did razekill the smaller kd, I would certainly expect them to find some way to retaliate. Maybe they spend weeks growing to be larger than us and raze us back. Maybe they wait to raze us in a time it would hurt us most (as in, when we are in war).
When they are looking for a war only, this is true. But if you follow the top, you'll find it's not the case because that's not the only thing they do.In any case, majority of kds in the server nowadays will just finish their wave, accept a cf and move on.
This is false. A number of kds have turned us down for wars this age, and only two have been RK'd. One for land-dropping, and the other because we have a grudge.But ED thinks that they are entitled to war any kd they choose, and if they decline you suffer the punishment of a raze kill.
The vast majority seem to support us, so there you go.How many other kds play by these standards? More importantly, how many kds in the server are OK with the way ED is choosing to play?
There are plenty of anecdotal reasons to think that you might have been involved:I can understand why it might look like we put Unsullied up to it. Although after all the recent developments with Unsullied even admitting they wanted revenge on their accord, I can't believe blame is still being pointed at us.
1) You refused to even read (let alone respond to) the ingame msg to you asking about it.
2) You chained me further than you had chained any other prov in our kd in spite of ~equal defense.
3) Choosing to chain me in the first place (let's be honest -- picking a chain target as one of the smaller provs in an enemy kd is a weird decision)
1) You've land dropped. 'Oh, we only dropped a little' is a hilarious justification for land dropping btw. It's also interesting how the story has changed from 'oh it was only one hit' to 'it was only a few hundred acres'Also, other than some EoW gold stealing from provs who hadn't trained thieves, how exactly have we played dirty?
2) EOW gold stealing
3) You attack/declare war on kds after they offer you a CF!!!! (according to you earlier, this isn't ethical)
4) We're not particularly accusing you of playing dirty. We merely said we have a grudge and are getting even.
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