Evil Dragons...

[Bishop]

The massive use of outside websites or tools such as Pimp, uTools, Stinger or angel suggest the player base also demands that. Should we expect the devs to add game mechanics to respond to that demand?

Yes, you should.

[THX1912]

Edit: I misunderstood Bishop.

Looking forward to seeing new tools added to the game.

[SneakySeth]

Jh

What's it about then? Its certainly not about warring kingdoms of equal skill.

edit: Goodz - game dev.

Again you are already assuming based on your set of ideals.Seriously.. Where is the fun in warring noobs? We derive much more satisfaction going against kds who can truly give us a good tough war. However these kds normally won't be all at the same acreage. What is wrong upsizing and downsizing due to such circumstances to find ourselves wars?

[Reason]

So...land dropping is unethical...therefore, aid and dice are also. Considering that land dropping is used as to be in nw range with most KDs (land 'size' being not that important to all, as it seems to be for some...) and that dice and aid are used so that one gets in range with those that are bigger or to be bigger, all 3 things are unethical.
In order to be ethical, there should be a standard land and nw size for all.
The fact that a larg kd says to a small one that they should man-up and grow the rest of the 20% nw or land difference between them, while keeping up the sci-learn attacks, is not different from: a bully saying that he is taking a little kid's lunch money, untill the little one grows and becomes able to defend himself; a muscled man that keeps beating a thin person until that person grows some; one that rapes women.....until they man-up.

If we all should be competitive as one claims, then we should all have the same land and nw size, so that we can all fight each other from an equal point. As long as we allow some to grow the best they can, we should also allow others to be small (though being a bully or should I say a 'Man' seems to be considered as the ethical 'beacon'...).
One can not expect all others to copy his own acts/image! That is why there are so many ways in which one can develop in this game (some pick being a warring kd, some pick being the highest in NW or Land size).
Forcing everybody to grow to the standards set by the biggest is not ethical. Forcing the small/the unexperienced ones to grow as to satisfy the need of the bigger ones to be able to brag on how they smashed them is....I can't even think about how to call it!


I guess Hitler also tried to....man-up some....

[Ezzerland]

Jh

Again you are already assuming based on your set of ideals.Seriously.. Where is the fun in warring noobs? We derive much more satisfaction going against kds who can truly give us a good tough war. However these kds normally won't be all at the same acreage. What is wrong upsizing and downsizing due to such circumstances to find ourselves wars?

The fact that you don't need to do it to find a war. What you do need to do is invest a small amount more effort or skill to prevent your target from farming you.

[Zauper]

So...land dropping is unethical...therefore, aid and dice are also. Considering that land dropping is used as to be in nw range with most KDs (land 'size' being not that important to all, as it seems to be for some...) and that dice and aid are used so that one gets in range with those that are bigger or to be bigger, all 3 things are unethical.

This is pretty poor logic. Land-dropping is used to remove land (and nw) from provinces/kingdoms, in order to make it possible for them to fight smaller (and weaker) kingdoms. Growing is the exact opposite of this -- it puts you closer to better kingdoms. Land-dropping is an artificial way of avoiding dealing with competition.

In order to be ethical, there should be a standard land and nw size for all.

Why?

The fact that a larg kd says to a small one that they should man-up and grow the rest of the 20% nw or land difference between them, while keeping up the sci-learn attacks, is not different from: a bully saying that he is taking a little kid's lunch money, untill the little one grows and becomes able to defend himself; a muscled man that keeps beating a thin person until that person grows some; one that rapes women.....until they man-up.

And who, exactly, are you accusing of doing this? Or are you just telling us a rambling pointless story?

If we all should be competitive as one claims, then we should all have the same land and nw size, so that we can all fight each other from an equal point.

When you fight, you gain things like land.

As long as we allow some to grow the best they can, we should also allow others to be small (though being a bully or should I say a 'Man' seems to be considered as the ethical 'beacon'...).

People are allowed to be small. There's nothing wrong with it. There is something wrong with removing what you've gained so you can fight a weaker kingdom.

One can not expect all others to copy his own acts/image! That is why there are so many ways in which one can develop in this game (some pick being a warring kd, some pick being the highest in NW or Land size).
Forcing everybody to grow to the standards set by the biggest is not ethical.

No one is required to grow. We are saying that REMOVING land is not ethical.

Forcing the small/the unexperienced ones to grow as to satisfy the need of the bigger ones to be able to brag on how they smashed them is....I can't even think about how to call it!

No one is forcing the small to grow. The issue is that the experienced ones are making themselves smaller so that they CAN fight the unexperienced ones, which makes for a bad learning experience for new players.

I guess Hitler also tried to....man-up some....

This is an interesting, insightful, and meaningful comment.

[Korp]

The fact that a larg kd says to a small one that they should man-up and grow the rest of the 20% nw or land difference between them, while keeping up the sci-learn attacks, is not different from: a bully saying that he is taking a little kid's lunch money, untill the little one grows and becomes able to defend himself; a muscled man that keeps beating a thin person until that person grows some; one that rapes women.....until they man-up.

The fact that you landdrop isnt different from a bully that picks fights with little kids. Hes way out of their league but he still finds the need to bash these kids cause he cant hack it with the same sized people.

If we all should be competitive as one claims, then we should all have the same land and nw size, so that we can all fight each other from an equal point. As long as we allow some to grow the best they can, we should also allow others to be small (though being a bully or should I say a 'Man' seems to be considered as the ethical 'beacon'...).

What you fail to see is that those kingdoms that landdrop is the bullys why stay small? Are you afraid to grow? Its like Barcelona would enroll in the local division in a random town just so they could keep on steamrolling the opposition.

Forcing everybody to grow to the standards set by the biggest is not ethical. Forcing the small/the unexperienced ones to grow as to satisfy the need of the bigger ones to be able to brag on how they smashed them is....I can't even think about how to call it!

But thats exactly what these kingdoms that landdrops does, they landdrop so they can war against lesser good kingdoms then title themselves as "good" warring kingdoms cause they bashed some ghettos.

[Reason]

"Ability and power allow you to define what is ethical."

Germans had the ability and the power to do what they did in WWs, does that mean that it was ethical what they did?
I guess the little countries that stood before them, were wrong.

Power that determines the etchical is a threat. And I thought that we were not to threat in here.
If a game is determined by power and ability, then no kid would play.

[THX1912]

I guess Hitler also tried to....man-up some....

There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)[3] than others.[1] For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Rejoice! After 21 pages this is finally over! :P

[Olpah]

@Reason

Your first comment makes 100% no sense at all. Why is aid and dice unethical? This game is about growing - whether you do it by exploring or warrring, you are growing in size that is the mechanics of the game. Land dropping is the opposite of what the game is about. You can be a "warring kingdom" but if you win, guess what your growing in size. Technically you should find more competitive wars the larger you get because other are winning wars as well.

The problem is when you win 3 wars and you feel the needs to downsize to war more kingdoms because "there is no one in the top to war". There is no tool you can use by yourself to downsize. There is the option to grow though, so use it. Grow in size and PM me, we will war you and i'm sure others will as well.

[DHaran]

The game naturally sorts itself. The nubs at the bottom, the best at the top, mid level kingdoms fluctuating in between. Landdroppers stay below their natural level, whch is why they're looked down on. Whether people who play in landdropping kingdoms understand that is irrelevant. You're playing below your level, period.

[Ezzerland]

So...land dropping is unethical...therefore, aid and dice are also. Considering that land dropping is used as to be in nw range with most KDs (land 'size' being not that important to all, as it seems to be for some...) and that dice and aid are used so that one gets in range with those that are bigger or to be bigger, all 3 things are unethical.
In order to be ethical, there should be a standard land and nw size for all.
The fact that a larg kd says to a small one that they should man-up and grow the rest of the 20% nw or land difference between them, while keeping up the sci-learn attacks, is not different from: a bully saying that he is taking a little kid's lunch money, untill the little one grows and becomes able to defend himself; a muscled man that keeps beating a thin person until that person grows some; one that rapes women.....until they man-up.

If we all should be competitive as one claims, then we should all have the same land and nw size, so that we can all fight each other from an equal point. As long as we allow some to grow the best they can, we should also allow others to be small (though being a bully or should I say a 'Man' seems to be considered as the ethical 'beacon'...).
One can not expect all others to copy his own acts/image! That is why there are so many ways in which one can develop in this game (some pick being a warring kd, some pick being the highest in NW or Land size).
Forcing everybody to grow to the standards set by the biggest is not ethical. Forcing the small/the unexperienced ones to grow as to satisfy the need of the bigger ones to be able to brag on how they smashed them is....I can't even think about how to call it!


I guess Hitler also tried to....man-up some....

Your misunderstanding makes you look ignorant. If everyone was the same size and nw prior to war then there would be no logical method for the better kingdoms to rise above. Shrinking back down after rising up to more competitive kingdoms is therefore unethical and looked down upon by the game.

[Bishop]

"Ability and power allow you to define what is ethical."

Germans had the ability and the power to do what they did in WWs, does that mean that it was ethical what they did?
I guess the little countries that stood before them, were wrong.

Power that determines the etchical is a threat. And I thought that we were not to threat in here.
If a game is determined by power and ability, then no kid would play.

Stop with the nazi analogues, right now. Do not, ever, post anything similar in here again.

[Reason]

@Olaph, what you do not consider is that after the win, each kd takes a pump period. And that period is used by bigger kd's as to attack the newly grown while it is at its weakest moment.
When such things happen, you get learned for days for not wanting to war and one of your provs gets PKed.

Just because power imposes the ethical.

@THX, I guess the comparison with the bully in school did not disturb u much...

@Korp and Zauper, pls see the reply for Olpah. You forget that after growth, is exploited by the already grown.
@Zauper on rambling stories: pls read previous posts, u will find the reference, as I only used the words used by a 'knowledgeable' user (post #261 - user=Zauper)

"Also, lol@#6 on Persain's list above, since that's exactly what we did to you that made you so sad.

We made our intentions clear -- we wanted you to man up.
"
Are you denying your own writting?

[Reason]

@Ezzerland: size can be the same at the begining and after a war, call it a reset. The dif would be made in war, when everything can vary, according to the skill of the player.