AMA vs sanct round 2

[Cello]

***** move. Come, Absalom, let us reason together. It would be a regrettable waste, it would be nothing short of madness, were you, brave King, and your valiant troops to perish... all because of a simple misunderstanding. There is much our cultures could share.

The enemy outnumbers us a paltry three to one! Good odds for any Mother!

[jamin]

no, just saying if you guys call it double hostile with sanc not hitting, then you should call it double hostile with ama not hitting. if you say its not a double hostile with sanc ama and pew pew, then it is not a double hostile with sanc ama and havoc.

i dont care either way if it is or it isnt since it seems the forums are split on if it is or isnt. but the 2 situations are the same, so as long as everyone understands that, that was the point of my post.

[Elldallan]

pew pew waved sanc....sanc offered cf obv cuz they are now double hostile...AMA declines cf saying they are ahead by acres so we wont accept cf (only reason you wont accept cf is to continue hits/ops)....this is acceptable.

havoc notices and waves (idk if they waved or not havent seen logs)...the smart thing for AMA to do would be to either accept cf from sanc or offer deal with havoc for cf, but apparently this is such a travesty and AMA is going to just sit and cry foul play.

love the amazing double standards here.

Jamin you seem to be missing the key fact that Sanct is in a double hostile with pewpew(& MA) because they initiated **** with MA again.
They would not be in double hostile if they had not gone on the offensive against MA in a blatant attempt to try to pave the way to a crown for their allies in Havoc. So why would MA kindly accept CF with sanct after sanct double hostiled them? Just because sanct got double hostiled in return?
No when Sanct & Havoc(and the rest of Abs is implied as well simply because there is no way this **** went down without being greenlighted by Abs leadership/ruling council or whatever they call themselves first) decided to double hostile MA I guess MA decided to turn this into a grudge thing, it's not double standards because sanct started this **** so when they got double hostiled in return it's nothing short of what they deserve for being such pricks.

Anri seems to indicate that Simians is just about ready to jump into the fray so I'd expect this to turn into a major ****storm in no time at all. A-wars or whatever you wanna call this is best experienced from the sidelines :D
If HoH can manage to stay out of this(they're already pretty much Abs in everything but name) they just might crown because everyone else is busy tearing each other to pieces while they just sit and pump for the whole duration and then easily picks off whoever comes out on top at the end should it be any non-abs.

[jamin]

sanc didnt hit ama first, ma did. sanc robbed someone with no thieves...woopdeedoo la dee da.
argue over schematics and point the finger. either sanc and havoc is doubling ama and ama and pew pew are double hostiling sanc. or there is no double hostile anywhere, doesn't matter which it is....all that matters is that its the same thing.

[AquaSeaFoam]

Soul_Hunter,

I'd say both are cases of vulturing, however AMA at least has Sanc trying to cf them and offering ingame so that they could lock up that previous fight at any time they wanted while Sanc is unable to CF their previous fight due to AMA's refusal to cf.

Sanc had two kingdoms initiate waves on them and both refuse to cf despite Sanc trying to cf both. AMA had one kingdom initiate a wave on them and the other get waved by them after some gc robbing. One of those kingdoms had been trying to cf but AMA refused.

So both are vulturing, but it seems that if we're trying to judge which kingdom is in a "more unfair" position, it seems to be Sanc. This isn't a complaint, just highlighting it for those that prefer to overlook such things.

[Soul_Hunter]

to jamin:
Well if pewpew waved Sanctuary within 12 hours of the last attacks from us it is almost the same. But if they waved them like 14-16 hours later it is hardly the same story. And i will try to explain why...

e.g. MA waves Sanc with 13 hour attack time, Sanc retals with wave. 12 hours later the armies of MA are still away and Sanc calls it no hostile. Am i the only person that sees the problem? By that logic u can wave any kd that did a wave, within 1-2 hours of their wave and call it no hostile simply because their armies are back in 13 hours later and that's enough time for u to say "no attacks for 12 hours=no hostile".

Also from what I know (if someone can correct me) pewpew noticed Sanctuary right after oow. So did Havoc notice us. But it was Sanc who started robbing us not the other way around. Why didnt they just prepare for pewpew being fully aware we are going to war Havoc? TBH we talked too much about it. So you can just reread my previous posts.

Anyway i agree the situations are quite similar. Yet all Abs/HoH members put arguments that Abs didn't double hostile MA, and also arguments that pewpew and MA did that to Sanc. That's what is hard to understand. If pewpew's actions are double does that mean Havoc doubled us too? Cause i never saw you admitting that. Also i would ask any member of Sanctuary to post if ops/attacks from us crossed with same action from pewpew. Cause we can show how Sanctuary is robbing our faes in the middle of Havoc's wave.


To add as a reply to ASF, as he posted before me. I agree both we and Sanc are f*cked up, and that they are more than us. Also we can agree that since we started dealing with Havoc we haven't touched Sanc, so technically it doesnt matter if we have cf or not. I dont think Havoc will let us do any harm to Sanctuary. Not accepting cf is more a matter of pride and honor by our leadership. Best situation for all sides would be let the kds fight the fight 1 on 1. Don't you agree?

[jamin]

bring hoh into saying we are saying sanc didnt double hostile and ama did, that didn't happen. i said if it is on one it is on the other, if it isnt on one it isnt on the other.

btw, slightly unrelated to above statement, there is a possibility that sanc was robbing from ama to prepare to pump for pew pew, since money is needed for a pump, and the easiest possible target with the largest amount of gc possible is just sitting there, it would be stupid to ignore it? just saying that is a *possible* explanation for the robbing.

[Soul_Hunter]

There can be many explanations, none of which matters. Nobody cares why the Serbian guy assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, but we all know the World War I :). Not that this conflict is with the same proportions but it doesnt matter now why they robbed. Let's just not escalate the action into a major conflict and keep the forum active :P

[Binar]

TLDR
I can haz warrar?

[Elldallan]

Soul_Hunter,

I'd say both are cases of vulturing, however AMA at least has Sanc trying to cf them and offering ingame so that they could lock up that previous fight at any time they wanted while Sanc is unable to CF their previous fight due to AMA's refusal to cf.

Sanc had two kingdoms initiate waves on them and both refuse to cf despite Sanc trying to cf both. AMA had one kingdom initiate a wave on them and the other get waved by them after some gc robbing. One of those kingdoms had been trying to cf but AMA refused.

So both are vulturing, but it seems that if we're trying to judge which kingdom is in a "more unfair" position, it seems to be Sanc. This isn't a complaint, just highlighting it for those that prefer to overlook such things.

Since Sanct is offering MA absolutely nothing in return for a CF after they messed up MA's preparations for Havoc I'd say thats the correct decision.

And no I would disagree that sanct is in the more unfair position, they initiated the whole thing against MA, that they got double hostiled in return is just sanct getting what they deserve for pulling off a dick move.
Sanct would not be in a double hostile if they had not decided to go pick a fight with MA again after loosing badly because anyone with two braincells could figure out MA was going to react after what sanct did.
So sanct put themselves in that situation, MA on the other hand got put into the situation by sanct obviously planning to sacrifice their age in an attempt to pave the way for Havoc to crown because Abs obviously don't think Havoc could have done that on their own and I would tend to agree since Sanct obviously have the best war setup of the Abs kd's and they completely farmed out to MA despite that.

[Crazy Pete]

I dunno i still think Rage is by far the best Absalom kd. A hard kd to beat in war. Sanctuary , Havoc, HoH all 2nd fiddle. So having an EOCF with rage means I like Elit's chance to crown. Only time will tell, a great kd always finds a way to get through hard times and i expect elit to do very well this war vs Havoc. I'm looking forward to seeing the war unfold, should be a great war. To be honest I see nothing different in Havoc/Sanctuary set up. Maybe Sanct. try to point them in right direction with some of the mistakes they made that war.

From my point view Sanctuary was not aggressive enough with their killers, outnumbering AMA's. But this is just speculation. Sux be army home eating opps etc.with a huge % your kd acres in killers holding armies too much.

[Realest]

Im delighted at those of you who caught my 300 reference. Props to everyone who did.

[Elldallan]

sanc didnt hit ama first, ma did. sanc robbed someone with no thieves...woopdeedoo la dee da.
argue over schematics and point the finger. either sanc and havoc is doubling ama and ama and pew pew are double hostiling sanc. or there is no double hostile anywhere, doesn't matter which it is....all that matters is that its the same thing.

Yes sanct didn't hit MA first but anyone with two braincells would know that MA would respond to sanct doing that just around the time MA gets notice from Sancts ally Havoc.
Yes both MA and Sanct are obviously in double hostiles, I don't think anyone is denying that. But the difference is that Sanct would not be in a double hostile if they had not decided to pull a dickish move on MA, they knew they would be getting a response.
It's like going into a Hells Angels biker bar and loudly exclaim, "what sort of leather gay place is this?" You won't be getting out of there in a good shape unless you're Chuck Norris.

[jamin]

like target sharing was not a dickish move by AMA?
and surely AMA has a reason for their dickish move prompted by a dickish move from Abs before in another instance, which would be justified by Abs with a dickish move done by AMA before then and so on and so forth until no more reasons and logs can be found and we find the root cause of who began the dickish moves...or maybe we don't. AMA V Havoc. Pew Pew V Sanc. Let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya now.

[csarmi]

For those who like paperwork, Sn on AMA and SN on Sanc. I've replaced locations.