AMA vs sanct round 2

[PhoenixScorpion]

You are the noob, you telling me Rage willingly gave up a chance to gain acres.

Well with way Elit negotiates was prob a sticky situation, Im guessing Proteus didnt want to give more acres than was given to AMA to allow them too much of lead and screwing our allies. I wasnt privy to negotiations so ask Proteus, but doesnt change the point that Avalanche has no idea what he is talking about.

[Soul_Hunter]

So to sum it up, you have no idea what happened (hence no idea what you are talking about) and yet you say Avalanche has no idea what he is talking about? :)

[protector]

goodz honored his terms. His notice was legit, so I have no idea what you are talking about.

As if anyone is saying his notice wasn't legitimate. The double hostile is the issue.

[protector]

Well with way Elit negotiates was prob a sticky situation, Im guessing Proteus didnt want to give more acres than was given to AMA to allow them too much of lead and screwing our allies. I wasnt privy to negotiations so ask Proteus, but doesnt change the point that Avalanche has no idea what he is talking about.

You were not involved yet you tell others "you have no idea". Terrible logic.

[MrCurious]

You were not involved yet you tell others "you have no idea". Terrible logic.

You use the word logic in conjunction with quoting PhoenixScorpion. You're terrible prot, just... terrible :)

[brado]

You were not involved yet you tell others "you have no idea". Terrible logic.

Well, he did praise elit's setup, so that pretty much solidifies the "you have no idea" notion. Don't you remember what happened when I wanted to run UD cleric in ZZ? When UD was way stronger than they are now? lulz

[Winslow]

It's a simple fact your been given notice by Havoc when war with sanc was over...you could have dropped all action vs Sanc and made a cf with them and start to focus on Havoc
Keeping a dragon on hold is no hostile action to me...Its a way to keep a dragon on you in case you might wanna clubber that kd once again later in age but you are out of nw range to send a new one.
Its different when you got an eoa cf deal then there is no use for that method.

It strikes me more that Elite holds Sanctuary as buffer for other abs kd's in order to get his kd in better shape....I know Elite will disregard that statement ofc but its quite conveniant for him if he could play it that way too maintain his position in top.
Elite is trying turn everything too Sanc/abs...But did it ever occur too him that he can take matters in own hand of getting a CF with Sanc after Sanc WD,or do you have logs from Sanc that they declined after you got noticed by Havoc...Since Goodz says nothing was happening when they gave you notice and at that point you could have done something too get a CF?

I mean its ur kd that has too face 3 abs kd's in top of the chart Sanc,now havoc if you beat them perhaps you gotta fight HoH aswel because you have no back up this age to keep the other abs kd's busy....So like i mentioned before in a other post you gotta fight them 1 by 1 Pulse style they succeeded perhaps you can aswel.
And maybe next age you guys can get your storm thing going on with your allied kd's.

[jamin]

heres the thing though...in this situation right now as it stands, if havoc wasnt a part of abs, they aren't going to let AMA just free roam to the crown anyway, they'd still pump, notice, war and go for the win...so this whole "fight all of abs to win" has some merit, but if havoc wasn't abs, the same thing would happen *unless* havoc was allied with AMA. you can't say havoc wouldn't have noticed abs or otherwise...

[Proteus]

Stop dodge facts. You double hostile AMA because you cant win 1vs1. Classic ABS move.

You doubled Rage in age 51 because you couldn't win 1vs1 either. You also couldn't win 2v1 as you still lost inspite of having 2 kingdoms fighting us. You act like this never happens to Abs kds.

Sonata needed to start an AWAR in their 3rd crown attempt because they were not able to beat Rage 1v1 that age.

[guard14n]

Speculations, speculations, speculations, speculations, speculations. Fact is - ABS are ally, they play dirty, they helped eachother and they double hostiled ama. Yes elit did made mistakes (having a prov with 0 thieves, no diplo with sanc during eowcf period etc) but that doesnt change the fact of the faul play of ABS. I wanna see what will happen in the war tho. Havoc has huuuuge advantage and if they lose i will lol like a baws :D

[guard14n]

You doubled Rage in age 51 because you couldn't win 1vs1 either. You also couldn't win 2v1 as you still lost inspite of having 2 kingdoms fighting us. You act like this never happens to Abs kds.

Sonata needed to start an AWAR in their 3rd crown attempt because they were not able to beat Rage 1v1 that age.

So u agree that it was planned to double AMA :) Cool at least some honesty from someone :P

[Proteus]

So u agree that it was planned to double AMA :) Cool at least some honesty from someone :P

Where did I say that? Talking about things that happened ages ago =/= stating someone was doubled intentionally.

Also double hostile implies BOTH kingoms hitting one kingdom at the same time like Dreams and Bio did to Rage in age 51. Havoc merely vultured AMA as Sanc did not hit AMA for 12 hours before Havoc waved and did not hit AMA any time after Havoc waved. Where is this double when its only 1 kingdom fighting. I see a vulture here but not a double.

[Winslow]

If you think thats dirty guard14n you dont play this game long enough.

I played in many top kd's myself and what i learned from it is that are all cut from the same wood...this is still too fair just miscommunication perhaps on bothsides
But like i mentioned before elite could had negotiated better in regarding too CF Sanc and not trying too turn his bad diplomacy on others.

He knows his kd is alone this age on top so he needs other tactics too work around it....He still can win this age if he keeps his cool.
Abs aint the bad wolf here...The age Pulse won by beating an abs kd 4 times while abs was dominant in top five with 4 kd's aswel and Pulse between it...they didnt doubled or gbed pulse out of frustration too ruin there age in last minute right!!!

If you wanna have fun again and stop whining sooo much how abs is dominating this game last few ages...create an alliance yourselfs and use the right diplomacy and tactics too war eachother so balance gets restored happend many times in the past can be done again.

[guard14n]

Where did I say that? Talking about things that happened ages ago =/= stating someone was doubled intentionally.

Also double hostile implies BOTH kingoms hitting one kingdom at the same time like Dreams and Bio did to Rage in age 51. Havoc merely vultured AMA as Sanc did not hit AMA for 12 hours before Havoc waved and did not hit AMA any time after Havoc waved. Where is this double when its only 1 kingdom fighting. I see a vulture here but not a double.

Hehehe nice so if the AT is 13h its not double hostile? Isnt it double hostile to go vs a kd who is actually hostile with someone else. Considering ama was hostile (fact) with sanc at that moment and havoc waving them = pure double hostile.
As for the other thing u said someone doubled rage some time ago and u implied that its not just abs that double and harrass people. This will lead to the argument that u agree that in this perticular situation abs did intentionaly doubled ama to avoid direct conflict 1v1 just as dreams and bio did to rage few ages ago right ?

I admire the passion u reject the facts :)

[guard14n]

If you think thats dirty guard14n you dont play this game long enough.

I played in many top kd's myself and what i learned from it is that are all cut from the same wood...this is still too fair just miscommunication perhaps on bothsides
But like i mentioned before elite could had negotiated better in regarding too CF Sanc and not trying too turn his bad diplomacy on others.

He knows his kd is alone this age on top so he needs other tactics too work around it....He still can win this age if he keeps his cool.
Abs aint the bad wolf here...The age Pulse won by beating an abs kd 4 times while abs was dominant in top five with 4 kd's aswel and Pulse between it...they didnt doubled or gbed pulse out of frustration too ruin there age in last minute right!!!

If you wanna have fun again and stop whining sooo much how abs is dominating this game last few ages...create an alliance yourselfs and use the right diplomacy and tactics too war eachother so balance gets restored happend many times in the past can be done again.

Mate i agree with u i just dont like the concept of ABS. Its ok to have friends but in this game its not a solution to create another abs. The solution is that every kd has to compete with everyone while getting different allies every age to achieve their goals. The core of the alliances part is broken leaving other kds on the scrubbed side of the coin. Mehul once said that this game is made to make people meet other people and compete with eachother. Thats why u couldnt buy a place in ur kd like it is now. The whole idea of utopia is to create a team of NO MORE than 25 people and reach ur goals.