there will always be friends benefiting each other, be it an open alliance or just behind the curtains. people wont shuffle their allies =/= friends each age.
there will always be friends benefiting each other, be it an open alliance or just behind the curtains. people wont shuffle their allies =/= friends each age.
As I remember those events Elit didn't doublehostile Rage, Elit had legitimate conflict with Rage and BIO decided to go **** **** up for Rage because they had done something to BIO earlier that war. Elit then refused to halt hostilities with Rage because after all he wasn't the one who was interfering and couldn't let Rage take BIO to war and beat them. So Elit is not the one to blame there, BIO is but yes it was completely lame of BIO to interfere in that conflict.
You are correct of course, this isn't even remotely the most dirty stuff that's happened over the ages.
But it's still dirty and it's clear that Abs planned this all along, they knew Sanct's actions would elicit a response(if there hadn't been a 0 thief prov they would simply have done something else)
Sure it was incredibly stupid to have a 0 thief prov but anyone who thinks there won't be a reaction when the ally of someone just sending notice robs that prov is clearly not living in this world.
Except that they are. It was obvious Elit would stomp Havoc completely considering what they had just done to Sanct despite Sanct having the superior war setup in Abs.
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Also by the time Havoc waved AMA, AMA and Sanctuary were ingame hostile (That means ingame when i choose sanctuary i can see hostile on relations). If that is not hostile... :D
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You do know that it kinda never has been this way in the whole history of utopia...there always have been alliances alot even back in the days.
So there was a form in balance of that...Some fought abs some where create especially against abs and they didnt last...So its abs fault too still have the endurance to be around until this day?
I have been in Echo and Spirit wich was merely a collaberation between other top kd's too make a fist vs ABS...wich went well for awhile but they didnt last for that long for many reasons.
Last edited by Winslow; 18-04-2013 at 14:37.
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nah it's just that you are so angry with abs that it's hard to believe it's not personal (especially when you curse them in several of your posts). you sounded really hurt when they waved ama so it's highly probable that you are not neutral.
so you agree with the concept of an alliance but you only accept it as long as they are temporary (1 age only). where does it say that the game is supposed to be that way ?
Last edited by Lykron; 18-04-2013 at 15:05. Reason: grammar
Heh naah i just dont like abs :D Not the players (xpt may be ASF i dont like him :D) but the concept. As for the alliance part yes temorary is ok. And there was an interview few years bach with mehul - there he sais what the original concept of the game is. As far for the game - make some research: how many people we used to have 10 years ago, 5 years, 3 years, 2 years, 1 year ago and now? U can make a graph to see it better - back in during mehul there were tens of thousands of players and if my memory is right i recall i point we almost reached 100k. Now we are below 7k and huge part of those players are inactive or mults. There are a lot of factors to be this way but one of that factors is that ally system. This is a game of competition and as long as there is someone with this kind of an advantage it will always make some people quit. Thats the reason i dont like abs :D Cheers
Although you're technically correct here based on the order of hostile events alone, don't forget that disgruntled BIO players (3 total I believe) did come forward with information that the 2v1 was fully coordinated from the start and was actually supposed to involve a couple other kingdoms helping as well but they decided against it. Also don't forget that BIO didn't dare full wave us into the fight (due to button concerns) until they entered FW together with Elit.
If thats correct why did Elit agree to FW bio then? If they were not involved bio is that last kd elit would want to dw with even if he needed one to not get farmed. Going to FW with bio shows its coprdinated as it benefitted both kds. If you are trying to assert you are not coordinating with the 2nd party to a double hostile you would not do an action that directly benefits them. Furthermore when ASF asked elit to cf after double hostile, elit said he would need to "ask bio." Why would he need to ask someone to cf us thats part of a double on us if this situation is not coordinated. I have those logs.
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