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Sanc being trained before war wasn't mentioned. Didn't think it needed to be.
Fixed.
Privately or publicly? And was this before or after his public offer of 20k acres from Sanc and 1 week cf with you? I ask because:
a) Order matters
b) There are continuous claims of no private negotiations made all the way up until Elit makes the public offer
Last edited by Ezzerland; 21-04-2013 at 16:36.
Ezzerland, he offered reset notice if we give Sanctuary land back in private. All this summary is very complicated and bring some propaganda. Events order is simple.
1 Sanctuary loss his war vs AMA in fair 1vs1 war.
2. AMA had clear cow and core advantage vs Havoc so Sanctuary decide to mess with us oow
3. After Sanctuary robed us (not only cow prov) WE did wave. Sanctuary is not really in position to war ot retal war us for long.
4. Sanctuary start cow trade hits for prevent our cows train up.
5. Havoc was mad about wave on Sanc and Goodz told notice is send but he wont wave us in hostile. 48h later he broke his words and waved us in active hostile.
6. Because all our core and cows was untrained we loss our cows in hostile.
7. We declared war ~~2 days later.
Its facts. All accuse about dodge, offered deals and other is propaganda and lies. Sanctuary never proposed any deal with us from few weeks.
“the mystery of life isn’t a problem to solve, but a reality to experience.”
― Frank Herbert, Dune
“I should've suspected trouble when the coffee failed to arrive.”
― Frank Herbert, Dune
they were hostile with us ingame, like when u go to their kd and it says hostile :). I don't think we should be discussing if they were or not hostile with us :).
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to goodz. It is his comments i am referring to, in his thread. As I said before i got no problems with your summary :).
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Which part? Havoc claiming it was not a double hostile? :D
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ASF posted early in the discussion(before Havoc Waved MA) that hostile is defined by the presence of a button and the word hostile on opponents kd page. He was arguing that stealing was somehow not an act of hostility(which I disagreed with, he is right that it is not hostile but it's still an act of hostility)
As that was clearly present when Havoc waved MA it is a 2v1 situation even by ASF's standards.
I think that may have been what Soul_Hunter was referring to.
dorje reported this and in the relevant support thread bishop posted the following:
So there is protection in the form that there is -75% gains through double fortified but there is no penalty to wpa/tpa. Bishop states that this is not a bug as it works as intended but the age changes and guide clearly stated otherwise in error. This has since been corrected.
Ezzerland I don't think anyone claims pewpew didn't double hostile Sanct, they obviously did because the situation can't be a double hostile for MA and at the same time not be a double hostile for sanct. Altho I guess I'm not entierly sure, some Abs leaders seems to claim that Sanct was double hostiled but MA was not because sanct offered ingame cf and stopped attacks for 12h(but not ops according to claims made by MA)
The opinion I and some others express is that Sanct initiated the conflict with MA and therefore is the cause of their own situation and thus have no legitimate reason to complain about it. If they had not provoked MA none of this would have happened.
ASF claims that because MA didn't try to cf sanct they would have gona efter sanct wether they had stolen gc or not. However he has not presented any sort of evidence that this is the case except that MA managed to pull off a wave pretty shortly afterwards(but I've seen skd's do that before with no advance warning so the act in itself provides no backing evidence)
Last edited by Elldallan; 21-04-2013 at 23:03. Reason: added the text in italic
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