Elldallan,
Again, you focus on trying to use catch phrases instead of just describing what happened. I asked people to try this earlier or to state what specifically you disagreed with in my description, but no one did either. Instead everyone jsut repeats catch phrases over and over even though they don't actually have any clear universally agreed definition. Just explain specifically what was done wrong. I already did this once myself but people just ignored it because it didn't sound as cool as yelling "2v1" or "double hostile!"

BTW, you post an awful lot for someone not involved. Where do you play again?

Elit, in our previous situation, Baka specifically said he would not war us or give us the button. you specifically declined to answer when asked if you'd war us and would only say maybe. You noticed us and challenged us in the forums and we were fighting you first with dragons exchanged and 6 hits. You lie about this now and try and claim you told us you wouldn't war but that's not true and I can dig up more logs if needed to show this. Our reasonable option was to continue to fight the kingdom close to our size that noticed us and called us out in the forums to fight and whom said they might war us. Baka's kingdom was well below our size and was upfront with saying they'd never give us the button. Again, the fact that this was all planned and coordinated up front makes these details less important but I'm still not going to let you lie about it.

Dharan, I wasn't asked permission by Havoc to wave Elit, but yeah, I heard that they planned to before they actually did. Are you saying that anyone who heard about a kingdom that might wave another is fair to do the same to? There's been a number of kingdoms that knew in advance about the planned 2v1 with Elit and BIO on Rage for example. Do they all deserve the same back if they knew about it?

While I agree that Absalom kingdoms should probably hold themselves to higher standards than non Absalom kingdoms, I don't agree that it's ok for kingdoms to try and abuse those potentially higher standards by manipulating situations to try and dodge fights.