Debauchery...

[kerb0724]

The MODs are really bias.. move-on, from ! it is clear they make term on how to win the war.. who ever has most acre is the winner.. they fought for it.. how can it become fake war? fake war is when your in war you dont do anything, you just enter the war and then hayahay.. but this is different.. men GROW UP! don't use your personal interest running this game..

[flutterby]

Andr3w, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I respect and appreciate yours. But it isn't going to change mine. Post #349 clearly explains my reasoning. You can choose to train thieves, or don't train thieves. Just don't be surprised if you stack millions on no tpa and it gets stolen.

Say an Orc.. with a 1.5 TPA trains up to 3TPA and ... comes up against one of your halfers with what? 6+ TPA... and that is supposed to stop the halfer?

The MODs are really bias....

1. Locations are not allowed in the forums.
2. The developers (the owners) of the game, who do not play, are the ones that took the war wins away, so explain again how the Mods are biased?

[Silvapwns]

yawn. all these complaining and taking a moral high ground as if they're the only kd stealing into eowcfs...kill them already (if you can) and move on.

[brickwolfman]

Andr3w, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I respect and appreciate yours. But it isn't going to change mine. Post #349 clearly explains my reasoning. You can choose to train thieves, or don't train thieves. Just don't be surprised if you stack millions on no tpa and it gets stolen.

Yes you are 100% correct here. You can also choose to rob from people NOT IN war/eowcf or you can choose to rob from people IN war/eowcf. Just dont be surprised when you start getting your provs raze killed one by one by multiple KD's if you continue to rob from people eowcf

[Sig]

Lol Persian, enough QQ already. All I have seen from you is complaints in forums (damn son, look at that post count!) and no action in-game (even when smaller KDs, i.e Roughnecks, give you the button after you sit on 4/4 for almost a MONTH, scrub). I once believed Divinity was a tough KD, after this age you prove how weak and spineless you truly are. We went 7 back to back wars with all provs training some TPA during the first two days of EoWCF in order to prevent our millions from being stolen; it never hurt our ability to jump right into the next war. If you can't pump your prov after war with a few thieves in the mix before CF ends, you do not know how to run a prov. But ya, be greedy and blame the smart people for robbing your dumb-ass...seems legit.

As for the "Proets" ...LOL, Ezzerland? that is all that needs to be said.

[Andr3w]

Ermm... if I am not mistaken, is all 7 of the wars pre-arranged as 'min-time' wars decided by acre/nw diff..? rebuilding n retraining from min-time war is very different from prolonged hostile period + long wars.. :x so not everytime those eowcf period is enough..sometime ur forced to enter fort to have time regrow your WPA or whatever if you just been through long hostile+war.. just saying..

[Sig]

No.

[Sheister]

moo? I was out to dinner and came back and it looks like we have more options for things to do? yay! I can use more powers! w00t w00t!

[Persain]

@andr3w i know for sure their war against Evil dragons was a well earned one, rest of them i cant say. I suspect very few of their wars were actually fake...probubly just ths one. Reason being a kd with their reputation has people willing to fight them as payback for the way they play...they are just smart enough to usually avoid bullying kds better than them, thus the high win count.

@sig going back to back to back wars isn't exactly hard, just takes leaders that can always be active, sometimes every leader is busy w/work and vacations all at the same time. Not everyone can be like your leader. Then again when u take millions of gold from other kds and fake war through min time fights maybe your leaders dont need to put in as much effort during war as my kd does.

[Sheister]

meh, I know its a pain in the ass for me. but I am a nub

[THX1912]

THX1912, it is as simple as if people go on stealing like this, everybody will start doing it, and then we won't be able to recover from wars. First stealing, then some will start attacking (some can be absolutely landfat in war/eowcf and it would be very intelligent to attack them!). Then, the game would have to provide the means to stop it so that people can recover from war, when it is much more beautiful the way it is now, not game mechanics, but people respecting it.

Or people will start training thieves and protecting what's theirs. I've said it already, one does not have enough gens to make hitting into eowcf worth the losses (unless the devs change that, which would be a huge surprise). Only thievery is actually beneficial.

As for 18 hours i used that because 1 i never cast IA in eowcf (tog>IA by many factors) what your suggesting is that i start drafting instantly during eowcf when you start on 3-4 peasents/acre. then train the second you get gold/solds. Before say rebuilding unbuilt acres, changeing from a build with 40% gs and no banks...its simply not smart and u cost yourself a signicant amount of gold. Ask any GOOD kd and they'll tell u thats dumb.

No, I said you should start training in time to have enough thieves to protect you once you have enough cash to be worth stealing from. As long as you're spending the money to rebuild or that you don't have the pop to generate enough cash, there is no rush.

Im in divinity feel free to intell us we're mostly pumped right now...also have a decent war win record. And yes we could run, more tpa/wpa/def/offense but what we run is up to us and runing stuff like 3 tpa raw on an undead is just stupid. Also dont be "sure" everyone runs at least 2 raw tpa, a well balanced kd can often have attackers on .5 tpa or less. Either way i'd LOVE to war a kd who runs 3 tpa on orcs/undeads it'd be like giving me a free WW.

From what I've been told, Debauchery runs a similar strat. Feel free to visit them, and let me know how it was. And I didn't say I was sure everyone on the server ran 2 raw TPA. I said I was sure everyone IN MY KD did.

what are u doing that u dont drop so low. If your a good kd fighting another good kd often times u end at 20% draft as an attacker having started at 75% draft. I used 30% draft as an example on my human and yes that is typical to end war with 30k leets and no thieves on a 3k acre human.

Be UB and propaganda a lot? My worst war this age I got hit 6 times.

or u can play like every other kd in the game and not hit into eowcf and i have all 5 million. keep stealing though and see how it goes for you the last person that did it to me that wasnt in strippers and nearly got pk'd.

Why is strippers an exception to that? Their 7/7 record this age maybe?

i think most kds arent willing to get gb'ed theus they dont steal into an eowcf. So 5 million or 40 million however much gold i sit on SHOULD be safe.

Enjoy the day dream, man. There will always be people to steal from you. If not me, someone else. Especially if no one actually does GB the culprits.

Take a look at any human/feary post war they oftentimes sit on 10 million or so just before training

I know. I play a fae. Last war I was sitting on 12mil. Nobody stole from me! Sorry... nobody managed to steal from me. Strange, huh? Oh wait!! I DO TRAIN THIEVES ASAP!!!

do u want intell to back it up? my last war i ended w/ 1 tpa 3 wpa and 30k leets on a 3700 acre human. I then rebuilt my prov to 80% guilds 10% tower 10% farms. u do the math on the cost to do that, train up and whatnot its ALOT of gold..

If you want to spam the forum with your self intel, feel free to do so.

1.5+pat drafting to 65% from 30% takes 45 hours thats still 51 hours of eowcf that u dont need to to be drafting.

That's assuming you start at full pop. As you said yourself, if your military drops this low, it often isn't the case.

Overall with how u talk u would not survive in most war kds, and your ethics lead me to think that you should be used to geting pk'ed a LOT, because its been the typical response of any decent kd.

Speaks volumes that no one has PKed me, then. And it's not for lack of people trying, either (I should mention here that while I've survived PK attempts, it was never related to my thievery). Lot of threats, very little action. According to what I've read here, I must be on a lot of people's list, yet I haven't seen anyone's armies in quite a while...

Nah brick, they justified their actions to op into eowcf perfectly by practically saying "I want the money" and "because I can", which are perfectly valid reasons.

Sad, you left everything I've said out...

[Andr3w]

I didnt left it out, I just simplified into few words, THX1912 :)) when you convert everything you said, it all returns to that 2 basic points.. you can do it because u have the TPA and peeps dont have it bla bla bla... and you want to do it because peeps stack money in eowcf which is not untouchable bla bla bla... See? Its back to those 2 points simply =]

[Persain]

Be UB and propaganda a lot? My worst war this age I got hit 6 times.

I know. I play a fae. Last war I was sitting on 12mil. Nobody stole from me!

and not everyone needs to sit on zero theives, when u end war in decent shape you can protect yourself. This doesnt always happen and its bad form to steal from those who need to recover the most....if u want 40-50 mod tpa halfers to start stealing from every attacker in your ewocf, where even 3 raw tpa isnt gonna protect u, go tell kds with lots of honor on their t/ms to start opping im sure they'll oblige if u ask them too.

Why is strippers an exception to that? Their 7/7 record this age maybe?

no, i didnt hit them because evil dragon asked me not to and by the time i was free they'd finished that war and moved onto their fake war.

Enjoy the day dream, man. There will always be people to steal from you. If not me, someone else. Especially if no one actually does GB the culprits.

well strippers is geting razed right now so people do respond.

[Andr3w]

I guess more people are busy atm :p so the raze is seems to be slow..guess it will be faster when other KDs start razes as well..

[Sig]

well strippers is geting razed right now so people do respond.

Yeah by a KD which would rather waste time razing due to envy and butt-hurtness from a few ages ago; our Monarch left Pixar, after like half an age, because he decided to recreate and lead a decent kingdom, rather than lose repetitively with some people he just met. Smart move IMO...Clearly they are not the type of people I would want in my KD, as they spend their time razing rather than actually trying to war and improve their KD.