Blackmail for cf's...

[StratOcastle]

Nobody ever tried a 6000 province bounce party? - that was me kidding. ;-)

[tetley]

maybe persain is right; MAYBE stoners, FS, monument, band of brothers, etc could beat or at least pose a challenge to the top 5 in war. they could be "good players" but have different skills.

But we'll never know, because they are never in range of each other. As long as all the "warring" kingdoms exclude themselves from competition with kingdoms who are trying to be the best, then it's pretty hard to say that they are on par.

edit: this thread has taken a weird direction. Persain turned it into a repeat of palem's "we need more good KDs competing" thread lol. Which, actually, would probably have the end result of less blackmail and farmout threats :P

[Shai]

maybe persain is right; MAYBE stoners, FS, monument, band of brothers, etc could beat or at least pose a challenge to the top 5 in war. they could be "good players" but have different skills.

But we'll never know, because they are never in range of each other. As long as all the "warring" kingdoms exclude themselves from competition with kingdoms who are trying to be the best, then it's pretty hard to say that they are on par.

edit: this thread has taken a weird direction. Persain turned it into a repeat of palem's "we need more good KDs competing" thread lol. Which, actually, would probably have the end result of less blackmail and farmout threats :P

They are never in range of each other because the "warring" kds u mention do not have the complete skill set that the top 5 have. They can war for sure, but thats also the only skill they need and thus have. The top 5 kds need to be good at warring, whoring and diplomacy.

Its funny how the warring kds are only expected to be good at warring, while the whoring kds are expected to be both good at warring and whoring.
Furthermore the warring kds only pick a setup strong for warring while the whoring kds have to pick a setup that works for both warring and whoring, thus if they were to meet, the whoring kd would have a weaker war setup.

A good example of the difficoulty of this is to take a look at all the warring kds that have tried to get big and war in the top 10 or 5. Most of them, with a few exceptions, end up being big farms as more is required then just picking a hardcore war setup, prep for war undisturbed until ur as prepped as u can be, then war.

There is a big difference between warring big and warring small.

[Palem]

edit: this thread has taken a weird direction. Persain turned it into a repeat of palem's "we need more good KDs competing" thread lol. Which, actually, would probably have the end result of less blackmail and farmout threats :P

Crazy how a scrub like myself can see these things coming a mile away.

[StratOcastle]

The exception being the cover an alliance provides. This is not to question obvious skill, but to point out obvious advantage. Thus an alliance kingdom can risk a long range setup vs. A traditional war array. all is fair, and I think war kingdoms, short of egos respect the wide-ranging capabilities of top kingdoms. I do. - recognize the independents near the top as very skilled in all, but Absalom by demonstration of a steady alliance, best in diplomacy.
@ Shai.
* and just a note: an alliance is as easy as saying "let's do something together".

[brado]

People should just ignore ABs. They'd soon get bored pumping all age winning crowns against each other as they'll become pointless. Just say the "real" number 1 spot is rank 4/5 (if hoh leaves) This way we can all have fun warring each other. It's pointless warring ABs from yr 6 onwards after the insane science pumping they are able to do. We can treat ABs like a natural disaster (tornado) sweeping through destroying the lands of whomever is 4/5th.

They'd soon get bored.

Newsflash: we're already bored.

[flutterby]

Crazy how a scrub like myself can see these things coming a mile away.

What you said in that thread is what we've been saying for yeaaaaaaaaaars. So it wasn't really a mile away it was kinda already in your face :P

[PhoenixScorpion]

More bull**** huh. Let me quote what she said, where does it say anything about awars or organizing?
"When did that happen last? In current history, non-abs taking the crown is still rare. Non-abs taking the top three is non-existent. So it happening without any regularity to me, is failure."

Small sample size? 10 ages over a period of 2+ years not enough?




So because I post something does it directly have to do with a kd I play in? I replied to you because I get tired reading all your crap on the forum recently. I'll just leave it at that

First, how do you think taking the top 3 or dominating the top 5 for so long happens? I guess it has nothing to do with organization? Interesting. I expanded it to include AWAR's because that is usually the culmination of anti-Absalom efforts which always end in failure for the opposition. As per my original post on both account it as by any realistic measure been a failure. Nuff said.

If you get tired of reading my crap or what I post its quite easy dont reply to it, acknowledge it, etc. Dont get butthurt when I express a personal opinion about people QQ'ing constantly unless you think it pertains to you. Nuff said.

Who cares who's crying... go buy some tissues... gtf over it already. Can't you stay on topic? Is it really that difficult.

I only care so much as when it concerns my KD's or those of allies. Actually my posts have been completely on topic as this whole thread is a QQ fest directed towards my KD and allies.

failing to crown is only because they dont routinely GB their competition. If as Elit suggests that were to change they'd win every age hands down no competition. If u read below the last time abs didn't horribly dominate was age 50/51 when there was a serious anti abs push. I guess that's what it takes to compete, a bunch of kds dedicated to specifcally countering them instead of a few un-allied kds trying for land.

Theres consistently been >3 abs+hoh kds so y not look at top 5.

AGE: # of abs+hoh in top 5 (using land)
Age 47:4
Age 48:1
Age 49:3
Age 50:0
Age 51:2
Age 52:4
Age 53:3
Age 54:3
Age 55:4
Age 56:4
Age 57:4 (100k acre lead aint changing from this)

so 3 ages out of the past 11 they didnt hold the majority of the top 5.
over the past 6 ages every one of them has placed top 5 every age. I'd say thats domination. Sure they might not win each age but every one of your kds placing in the top 5 for 6 ages in a row is epic win.

Who cares though "winning" only matters to a few kds and most of them have the abs tag, the only reason to go above 100k or so acres is to try to war ABS or crown so to all the people who QQ about farming acres or strange CF deals all i have to say is stop growing or learn to diplo better.

Dont make their heads explode. Like you said, if we truly played as dirty as people constantly claimed and QQ'ed about all the time you would truly see domination on a much larger scale. Just because we dont bend over every single time we are prodded does not make us the bogeyman. At least someone can see that when you actually organize and act thats the way you will generate competition and not just QQ'ing about your problems.

I have told it many time: Only correct way is 1. build strong kd 2. start grow and war ABS. If you can win 1vs1 against ABS kds in ~~even terms you are good enough for compete with them. Problem is many kds choice to start small and compete with less active/organized kds. They grow middle age and how work sci system there is no way to beat kd who was bigger all age from you.
ABS have to deal with 1 max 2 kds per age from begin. After it they got control on top and its easy to keep it with 4 kds in top 5.

About bad and good deals. Its don't depend only from your wish. You get deal what you can get. Some times you don't have choice. Good example for it is Rage this age. They was forced to gave 2 free waves and eoa nap. With sage who is supposed to be strong after midle age and they cant war his only competitor its make all kd setup pure waste.

Considering you only tried to pursue us when you was 200% our size says enough. Imagine if we would have had a non-Sage war-focused setup. Please. Seeing as look at where we are and look at where you are I would say we made much better decisions than you did this Age.

pretty simple. when you CF abs from now on, stipulate that if they get farmout acres, it renders your CF void.

Problem is no one has the balls or skills to bump uglies with abs. That's the issue, not the lawyerese language.

That basically sums it up. Less QQ more bumping uglies ;)

[Elit]

Please. Seeing as look at where we are and look at where you are I would say we made much better decisions than you did this Age.
That basically sums it up. Less QQ more bumping uglies ;)

Rage is big atm ONLY because:
1.Sanctuary saved your ass. After Proteus complete messed your diplo+way you used pool i drop all talk with him. Only because Maxi spend 2 days to convince me Rage got CF from us.
2. AMA won age long ago, its why ABS push double hostile for stop us. Ever if Rage win atm its have ZERO VALUE. You and ABS loss already your age to AMA.

[PhoenixScorpion]

Rage is big atm ONLY because:
1.Sanctuary saved your ass. After Proteus complete messed your diplo+way you used pool i drop all talk with him. Only because Maxi spend 2 days to convince me Rage got CF from us.
2. AMA won age long ago, its why ABS push double hostile for stop us. Ever if Rage win atm its have ZERO VALUE. You and ABS loss already your age to AMA.

Just because you repeat things over and over doesnt make them true Elit. AMA didnt win anything, your not even remotely close to any Absalom KD or in contention. Even Sanctuary is pwning you and they have had one of their worst age ever. Make all excuses you want about it. Rage win has value, Rage didnt double anyone, ****play anyone, or anything else? Thats an interesting interpretation :)

[Elit]

Just because you repeat things over and over doesnt make them true Elit. AMA didnt win anything, your not even remotely close to any Absalom KD or in contention. Even Sanctuary is pwning you and they have had one of their worst age ever. Make all excuses you want about it. Rage win has value, Rage didnt double anyone, ****play anyone, or anything else? Thats an interesting interpretation :)

Because you Repeat your propaganda its dont make it true too. Stick to facts:
1. AMA disable Rage early on age.
2. AMA won his most important war vs Sanctuary when second had best war setup from all ABS kds and cow/sci advantage before his war with AMA.
3. AMA had Cows+Core advantage against Havoc BEFORE ABS pull double hostile. Win against Havoc was easy job in 1vs1.
4. After Rage failed his age with AMA you spend 8 weeks for pump sci and arrange farm deals. Rage had chance to make it only because was ally with rest big kds. If you was indi kd there wont be any free time for you to pump and grow free how its happen. Basically Rage did noting all age after won his war vs BB and BB have one from his worst age.

[ZodZilla]

Just because you repeat things over and over doesnt make them true Elit.

That's rich coming from an absalom mouthpiece.

And saying rage is clean in all this is akin to saying the right (and highly vocal) hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.

[Judge]

The only things I find difference in Proteus and Elit is that they both play in different kds.. TATS IT!!

[Elit]

The only things I find difference in Proteus and Elit is that they both play in different kds.. TATS IT!!

Its because you are not good at "find difference" :P

[Crazy Pete]

I think this age for Rage reminds me of our age last age. Didn't really do much, no real hostilities or wars except the one war with BB and the pew pew ordeal. I don't think this age is anything to write home about for Rage.

I think Rage is one of the best kd's for sure, but you can't call this age a quality age by any means for them.

2 wars, 3 retal wars for extended periods.... 2 extended hostiles including Beast Blood that is currently ongoing. 7 major hostilities/wars for us this age, it's been a blast....kinda made up for last ages ****ty age.

In my mind even if HoH manages to crown this age, the crown is tarnished. The real owners of that crown are AMA. No use taking a dive, and somebody has to win #1 so I'll keep hitting till the last minute of the age.