Havoc vs AMA Round 2

[flogger]

The triggerring of the reset is when you go to war with the kingdom you are hostling with. The original purpose of the reset clause was due to the facts that 1) kingdoms generally like having a break after warring, and not have to immediately gear up during EoW for another fight and 2) 96h isn't quite enough time to repump but 6 days is. The clause was never intended to be a dodge tool. Every time we've used it has been more or less when we're surrounded by abs, and generally know which order we are fighting in. Its become more a dodge tool due to the ridiculous new pool rules which favors the kingdom not fighting too drastically.

Its not reset due to merely hostling, in large part because the definition of a hostile seems to change every age, and you avoid having to argue whether your epic bounce battle vs Princess Xena constitutes a hostile.

It also doesn't reset to perpetuity, thus ya can't keep dodging forever.

[Zauper]

The triggerring of the reset is when you go to war with the kingdom you are hostling with. The original purpose of the reset clause was due to the facts that 1) kingdoms generally like having a break after warring, and not have to immediately gear up during EoW for another fight and 2) 96h isn't quite enough time to repump but 6 days is. The clause was never intended to be a dodge tool. Every time we've used it has been more or less when we're surrounded by abs, and generally know which order we are fighting in. Its become more a dodge tool due to the ridiculous new pool rules which favors the kingdom not fighting too drastically.

Its not reset due to merely hostling, in large part because the definition of a hostile seems to change every age, and you avoid having to argue whether your epic bounce battle vs Princess Xena constitutes a hostile.

It also doesn't reset to perpetuity, thus ya can't keep dodging forever.

zauper: what's a reset clause?
flogger: meaning if you and AMA are about to square off, I can't give you notice 1 hour before you're about to fight to get around hostile/notice
zauper: aha
flogger: and gives the OOW kd more time to regroup
zauper: no 'notice into notice with a real kingdom'
:)
functionally
flogger: yes, I didn't think that was necessary but then proteus's first few rage years were litterred with those ;p

Your words, not mine. Nothing in there about the reset occurring when war is declared, merely that it means you can't give us notice before we're about to fight AMA to get around no notice into hostile.

I'm pretty sure you're aware that AMA and us are about to square off. In fact, you explicitly say fight rather than war. When I was talking to you the other day, it seemed that fight included oow and war.

[Realest]

so much fear, but dont forget the Havoc Provision trumps any gentleman's agreement.

[Godly]

Anyone with a brain understands that we left acres on the table vs AMA that we want to collect. It doesn't matter even if we didn't have any CFs expiring -- we would have still gone right after them again. If AMA wants to offer us some land for a CF deal and then we go fight flogger, we will be willing to negotiate. But I'm not leaving that land on the table no matter how many people notice me to save AMA.

This entire story is blown up way too much because Elit wants to double us. I say whatever. If that's how you want to win, fine. If flogger wants to take this back to age 2 rules where he waves into an active hostile, that's cool. Neither of us are probably not going to win this round anyways and it will tarnish his squeaky clean rep. I refuse to see it happening due to knowing the guy for many years.

Round 1 was a very close fight and was an exciting war for many people looking in. My proposal to flogger is to back off and let AMA and Havoc have round 2. It's not like sitting back out of the fray, doubling another cow and pumping gold and science is a bad thing as you mentioned above.

[protector]

Your words, not mine. Nothing in there about the reset occurring when war is declared, merely that it means you can't give us notice before we're about to fight AMA to get around no notice into hostile.

I'm pretty sure you're aware that AMA and us are about to square off. In fact, you explicitly say fight rather than war. When I was talking to you the other day, it seemed that fight included oow and war.

Afaik "oow" means "out of war".

[Zauper]

Afaik "oow" means "out of war".

Yes...
Flogger says 'only war' in his post, but in our conversation about what a reset clause means at the start of the age says 'fight'.

Again; his words. So we're in agreement that fight includes non-war activity, which means based on what flogger said war is not necessary for the reset clause to kick in.

[Jobolob]

You better get a lawyer son, a real good one.

Also you dont get too decide if someone is in agreement with you, thats not a conclusion you can make. Soz.

[flogger]

Your words, not mine. Nothing in there about the reset occurring when war is declared, merely that it means you can't give us notice before we're about to fight AMA to get around no notice into hostile.

I'm pretty sure you're aware that AMA and us are about to square off. In fact, you explicitly say fight rather than war. When I was talking to you the other day, it seemed that fight included oow and war.

Yeah, so I'm saying if you go to war, I don't get to vulture ya immediately after war and instead have to re-serve notice after war. At this point the definition of a reset clause is fairly well established amongst the abs circles, as we've been doing em for 4-5 ages.

[tetley]

So just curious here ... what happens if Havoc waves but AMA just eats it? Is it an "active hostile" if hits are uni-directional? What if no button is pushed at the time BB's notice expires? BB can wave and it be clean?

[flogger]

So just curious here ... what happens if Havoc waves but AMA just eats it? Is it an "active hostile" if hits are uni-directional? What if no button is pushed at the time BB's notice expires? BB can wave and it be clean?

Everyone knows what an active hostile is or isn't.

[Realest]

I recommend Syntico for a good lawyer.

[Proteus]

The triggerring of the reset is when you go to war with the kingdom you are hostling with. The original purpose of the reset clause was due to the facts that 1) kingdoms generally like having a break after warring, and not have to immediately gear up during EoW for another fight and 2) 96h isn't quite enough time to repump but 6 days is. The clause was never intended to be a dodge tool. Every time we've used it has been more or less when we're surrounded by abs, and generally know which order we are fighting in. Its become more a dodge tool due to the ridiculous new pool rules which favors the kingdom not fighting too drastically.

Its not reset due to merely hostling, in large part because the definition of a hostile seems to change every age, and you avoid having to argue whether your epic bounce battle vs Princess Xena constitutes a hostile.

It also doesn't reset to perpetuity, thus ya can't keep dodging forever.

I've made those deals with you in the past where hostile resets notice. My understanding of those deals was that if you get hostile after notice is served, notice is retracted. Obviously you can't just give hostile to some kd way oor but if its a legit fight with both sides exchanging hits, notice is reset. If you tried to pull some stunt to us in the past with this deal where we fight some kd oow for 3 days where it doesn't go to war but you don't retract notice on grounds it doesn't go to war, that wouldn't fly.

Also do you care to comment about vulturing is your pet peeve and how you would NEVER do it to anyone and would wait like a week after war to notice. Are you planning on extending this generosity this age or does that go out the window with a tight crown race?

[tetley]

Everyone knows what an active hostile is or isn't.

I think you give people too much credit flogger :P

[Realest]

flogger is a good ally, second best to CGG.

[Elit]

I'm pretty sure you're aware that AMA and us are about to square off. In fact, you explicitly say fight rather than war. When I was talking to you the other day, it seemed that fight included oow and war.

Every one know BB and Havoc is going to war. Your reason for reject my cf offer is because BB didn't gave you CF extend. So its clear dodge. There wont be second war atm Havoc and AMA and you know it.