EOWCF is war or not?

[Korp]

Techincally for me eowcf is still war since both kingdoms are still in war but I dont see how that should stop people steakling or plundering them kds that are in eowcf since all hostile actions between the kingdoms in war has stopped.

[Elldallan]

Well Saints, good luck in handling your diplo with all these kingdoms. Definitely a sad case in failing to be crowned this age because of this issue. But oh well, there'll be many more ages to come in future.

They lost their crown chance because they acted like assholes enough times that someone decided that enough is enough lets go punish these people.
Personally I think it's a suitable punishment. If it happens repeatedly and you tell them to stop and they continue you need to send some sort of escalated response because they obviously doesn't respond to niceties like diplomacy, the application of force however is something most people understand instinctually and ruining their chance of crowning sends a suitable message.

To all monarchs out there, settle dispute as a man! Stop being a pussy but at the same time acting like a hero. Your actions are lame, period!

Sa1nts are the only pussies here, they repeatedly acted like assholes and apparently didn't bother to a request to stop, this could all have been prevented but Sa1nts chose not to and in the end got what they deserved.

[ofgortens]

At which point of time, did I say I'm not responsible. I'm saying I don't go around asking people who you plunder? was it EoWCF/War? was it active hostile? To those who stole gc, who they steal from? what stance?

Doesn't take much to tell your kdmates to not target kd's in eowcf when you are plundering. Same reason you would tell your kdmates to not make stupid hits into kd's that are obviously going to respond or give relations to kd's that can respond with ops. If they do in fact hit into eowcf, give that person a warning so they know not to do that and possible removal from kd if they continue to make idiotic target choices.

It doesn't take long for them to realize that your kd does not stand for making stupid hits.

The fact that it looks like multiple kd's throughout the entire age that have said Saints have hit into their eowcf makes me think that it's not just 1 random hit from someone in your kd... but more of an order from leadership to 'hit into X:X who is in eowcf and has lots of gold'.

Just an observation. I am not in any kd that was hit by you in eowcf so I can't comment from either side... but you being a leader saying you cannot monitor every hit your kdmates make is kind of BS in that you can set precedence for what they should and should not hit.

[StratOcastle]

Eowcf is mechanically war for the morally inept. If you need to hear that's it's not actually war then you are morally inept.
* what I find laughable is the notion that immorality, like stealing eowcf gold, requires an etiquette system of equal consequence. My friends, once you open that door the consequences are as deep as a vengeful imagination can be. - being immoral is poor strategy because you have no idea how much further your opponent will go. You brought a knife to a gun fight is such an analogy *

[Nim]

Eowcf is mechanically war for the morally inept. If you need to hear that's it's not actually war then you are morally inept.

Exactly, well said.

[Korp]

I dont get why people think eowcf is some magical thing that should protect you from everyhting that out there. .

[Palem]

Because people like protection

[qicquser1]

Because its magical.

Btw, this thread is getting way out of hand. from a poll EoWCF = War, to what type of leadership I am, to whether a kingdom/person is morally inept.
Stay on the thread and discuss why you think EoWCF considered war or otherwise.

[fuzzy|]

I dont get why people think eowcf is some magical thing that should protect you from everyhting that out there. .

did sillies actively hit into EoW cf's?

[Korp]

did sillies actively hit into EoW cf's?

What does that have to do with anything?

[Sig]

Hit in friendly farming fake war is legit. Pool are about real wars.

lol you are just as bad as abs, both in-game and your non-stop BS on forums after ****-play. at least man up and admit you are douche just like all the rest of us. Glad we got to shakes things up and show everyone true colour!

[Palem]

Is winning a color? If so Elit is showing his true colors

[martinzig]

Im confused - war is something when ppl do attacks. War ends when one kd surrenders or the peace is reached.
End of war CF is period right after a war which is needed for kds to regroup. Thus eowcf is not a war.
The poll shows that ppl consider it as a war. But I think ppl with this poll wants to show that attacks into war and attacks into eowcf is considered a major crime.
Which is bottom line - attacking into war and attacking into eowcf is punishable action (according to seflregulation of utopia's crowd, theres for sure odd individuals who disagree).
But I dont think that attacking into war is good punishment for attacking into eowcf. The punishment for a crime should be proportional to that crime. But then again - victim has his own subjective vision about the dimension of the punishment. 3rd parties can ofcourse interfere.

[TitanReborn]

punishment has to be more severe than the crime....otherwise hows it a deterrant?

[fuzzy|]

What does that have to do with anything?

just trying to see if some1 like elu would let his players hit into EoW cfs repeatidly and ignore requests to stop and then claim its not up to him to stop his players doing lame things like that over and over.

the difference here is sa1nts did this over and over and were asked to stop and ignored all requestes. if it's 1 hit then fine you deal with and move on, that seems to not be the case here.

how can a kingdom leader have so light control over his/her kingdom to claim they have no idea their players are repeatidly hitting into other peoples EoW cfs?