CR vs AMA

[Proteus]

Proteus has claimed AMA will intra raze the acres they are taking from us. I also saw logs where he states they will intra raze to take themselves out of the top completely.
I just wonder how their current tactics work if the above is truly their intention.
Why not raze instead of TM to begin with?
Why bother with plunders. By the time we get trained up AMA will have effectively taken us out of the race completely. And our stocks are so deep that plunders don?t stop us from training up anyways. All plunders accomplish at this point is giving AMA resources to train up with since they had no gc stocks themselves.
Why would they need to train up further if they are already trained up far enough to take us out of the race?

Conclusion:
It doesn?t add up. Their actions and their words show 2 different things.
AMA will achieve their goal and stop us from crowning no matter what happens. Their actions and words don?t line up atm (why not raze from the start, why plunder at all?) and it?s up to the rest of the KD?s to decide if they want to trust AMA?s word or not.

For CR the situation is now as followed:

-We got cheated out of a strong position to win the age and get put into a position that will have at best 1 or 2% chance to win the age.
-We want AMA out of the race as well. Not just to intra raze the acres they are taking from us (how will they get rid of the money they are taking?), but out of the race completely. They don?t deserve to even have a shot at the crown after this. Without action they would actually be in the strongest position of all KD?s competing for the crown.
- We don?t trust their word, and luckily we are not alone in that lack of trust. Their actions and words don?t match up, and even if they would, it would be the word of 2 people that deal broke to get rid of their strongest opponent. Which sane person would trust them if they get into a position that can potentially be between 70K and 100K acres away from the 2nd place?

So as a KD our goal now is very simple and clear. Make sure AMA goes down as well. We can?t stop them from taking us down, but we can at least make an effort to stop deal breakers from getting to compete for the crown either.

We hope to unite the community in this goal, because alone we are in no position to do it. So far everybody believes AMA doesn?t deserve a chance at the crown after this. It will be interesting to see how many KD?s will actually be willing to back up their words and if there will be KD?s that will try to exploit the situation and make the crown this age even more corrupted.

At the end of this way too long post I like to point out that for me personally I care more about the 1st section of this post than the 2nd section.
Getting something arranged to stop this kind of lame play from happening for a 4th age in a row (that means next age) means a lot more to me than getting even with AMA now.
Even now, I can?t even feel pissed about what happened. Just sad. Sad that this will be the 3rd age in a row something that everybody considers lame play will dictate the outcome of the crown race.
I am not even sadder than I was last age when I was just fooling around in a ghetto and it didn?t affect me personally.

Couple things

1. Why did you (Sanc) and Havoc decide to cheat AMA out of a crown several ages ago when they too have gotten themselves into a stronger position, completely farmed Sanc in a 1v1 fight without any outside interference and were unbeatable for Havoc after war was over. Why did you take it upon yourselves to double team and waste all of their good effort and planning?

2. We are TMing you because it is the strategically most sound move, I am not sure if you only do diplo for the kds you play in or strat? It would make no sense to not TM a kingdom with the highest bpa/gc stocks on server and not have any credits. Not to mention we had to train early because your buddy remote decide to hit a bunch of our provinces and we had no stocks going into this. Why are we taking your gold with plunders? To limit your training and so we can train. This is strategy 101, otherwise there is no point if trying to punish you as it will just not work. This just looks like 100% propaganda intended to incite someone to help you rather than a serious question.

3. As already mentioned, once there is assurance that havoc is out of the crown race we are going to dump all acres we took. Community will hold us to this word and be the judge.

4. We are not doing this with the intention of crowning, we are doing this so YOU do not crown.

5. There is no way we would allow you to double AMA a few ages ago and continue ****play this age and dictating who we fight or risk being 2v1ed by you, perhaps next time you wont adopt the attitude "well I am big and pumped all age while everyone else was fighting so what I say goes." Maybe next time you will have at least the semblance of fairness.