CR vs AMA

[Runefire]

Well it wasnt really 1vs1, as we were razed from X:XX for about a week. And we werent done with them, people wanted to wave us already ;) Being razed by a random kingdom doesnt mean anything, is that your point of view?

Not sure you are going to find much sympathy. If you hadn't been so overly aggressive last age it would have been another matter. You reap what you sow.

Oh, and can we get an update? Not having an account sucks :(

[American Badass]

Last but not least - this does not end with this age - congrats u just created a new pew pew but with more skills. HF and let the ultimate war begin!

It is talk like this that has enabled us to group together and agree to carry on the GB until 1) AMA changes their ways by agreeing to negotiate for a better game moving forward or 2) AMA disbands.

Have fun OOP getting GBed 4v1 again if Elit shares the same view as above. We don't care if it means only BB / PEW / LEGACY are competing in the top next age. Havoc / Rage/ Pyro and simians is in this until there is change.

[Cello]

It is talk like this that has enabled us to group together and agree to carry on the GB until 1) AMA changes their ways by agreeing to negotiate for a better game moving forward or 2) AMA disbands.

Have fun OOP getting GBed 4v1 again if Elit shares the same view as above. We don't care if it means only BB / PEW / LEGACY are competing in the top next age. Havoc / Rage/ Pyro and simians is in this until there is change.

We wouldn't have to disband, we could just become a group of solo provinces harrowing your wars and conflicts next age, after we screw the closest one of you up OOP :D I'm looking forward to next age :D

And clean slates after age 60? Don't make me laugh.

[guard14n]

If you think i am so bad come and war simians

This is something AMA always failed to do.

Despite many attempts to get a fair war they either ****played or backed out of warring us.
Simians been nice enough to give cease fire when they could not war, the funny part is that AMA would got full raped then but we are to nice over here to full rape them. All we want is a war from them. Us asking them for war early this age and them ****playing us when we all ready had waved Pyromaniacs shows exactly how scared AMA is to war Simians on equal footing, they had to ****play even early age to get ahead in the game. Instead of accept a challenge, where Simians said we would give the button they hide and come at us into another conflict, because this is who they are. They dont fight like men, they fight like chickens and they will never dare to go into war vs Simians because they simply to affraid to lose to us, they will only target us if they know they got advantage, such as a 2 vs 1 situation, because what happens if Simians beat them. I think its them who should be gagged, the last time i asked them for war and they accepted a challenge they came last hour and backed out, gave me a bunch of excuses and asked for a cease fire, i was nice enough to give it when we could have full raped them for the misstakes they did. Infact, Elit does a bunch of misstakes all the time. Look at the extended CF deal with Pyro, crazy bad stuff, look at the not accepting help when he got 2 vs 1 havoc/sanc (he said he could handle it himself, it lost him the crown). Look at this mess he created right here. Look at him dealing with Mansoor behind his allies back instead of just wave mansoor and crown. He makes more misstakes then any other leader has done for the last 4 ages and yet people like you idolize him. The thing is, if he had listened to his own KD a bit more or even some outsiders he would be sitting with at least 2-3 crowns now from the last 4 ages. But he is to incompetent to see it. Because in his own world, he can never do anything wrong.

I long til the day next age when Simians and AMA will go to war and if they beat us, they will get rights to claim they are better and stronger then we are. Until then, they are nothing but the KD that backed out from warring Simians two ages and the KD that backstabbed us and others. The dealbreaking KD.

HHAHAHAHhahahahahah dude u need a shrink :D Ur ego is bigger than Godly and Proteus combined + delusions + ... well being Anri... Dude get it right - noone is scared of simians. U are a joke and u always be. The kd is not the problem - u are. As long as u are their leader u will always be "****played" by everyone (meaning ****playing in ur head is things dont go the way u dream it will go).
hahahah jeez dude ... just keep posting u make my day :D :D :D

[Korp]

It is talk like this that has enabled us to group together and agree to carry on the GB until 1) AMA changes their ways by agreeing to negotiate for a better game moving forward or 2) AMA disbands.

Have fun OOP getting GBed 4v1 again if Elit shares the same view as above. We don't care if it means only BB / PEW / LEGACY are competing in the top next age. Havoc / Rage/ Pyro and simians is in this until there is change.

Its rather naive to believe that any good would come to this, its just a bunch of pussy kingdoms that cant do **** towards AMA alone so they band toghter.

[Anri]

Thats why you took 7 waves by them and not pressing the button? :)





So.. let me get this, they wave you give you the button and they are the ones backing out from warring you?

You mean when YOU doubled hostiled someone?



"Sure"

We did set a declare wave on AMA and by the time we did Pyro waved us back stopping us from warring AMA. The point is, they used a situation to get ahead of us and then come claim they wanted to war us, when all along they could have made a 1 vs 1 fair war and proven to beat us fair. If they are as good as they say they are they should have just done 1 vs 1 play, maybe accepted our challenge instead of hiding from us and wave us while engaged to another KD. It says a great deal about who AMA is when they are so affraid of losing that they go thru all kind of ****play to ensure they win. This dealbreak to CR is no different. Win by all means, even if it means ****play all they can.

And you are correct, they wave us, give button, making it a 2 vs 1 situation, when we had offered them legit war 1 on 1. They were the ones ruining a perfectly fun war where if they had won would got rights to say whatever to us. Yes, they backed out, because they choose to ****play over war us fair.

And when it comes to the time Elit begged me for CF it was Jordy that slipped the button to Simians, before they was prepared and Ovenmitt quitting on Elit. They were not even near prepared for war and this is why Elit came to get a cease fire from us, willingly admit they ****ed up and was in position to get raped. I gave up a more or less free WW and total rape on AMA because it was the honorable thing to do. What i have got in return is a lot of bad talk and dealbreaks. Since we have never warred i am more then sure it would have been a record of 1-0 to Simians vs AMA. Infact, they had even been farmed when they slipped the button to us and begged for CF due to internal problems. The day Elit is as honorable as we were back then will never come. Now, that i look back at it, i wish i had not been such a nice guy because it would been much better to say we won the last war war and farmed you.
But, you and most others in here thinks i am about taking advantage of people, but that is very wrong and Elit himself should be able to account for the honorable act we did towards AMA. But i guess, its not so fun to talk about it, its better to call Simians the ones that farm out when infact we had an open shot to farm him out and make him embarresed infront of the server. Its a clear difference between players such as myself and Elit, i do honorable acts, Elit doesnt because its in his nature to backstab and lie.

[Soul_Hunter]

And they say it was cause of ****play :D laughable :D

[Sheister]

OK,

Technical questions for the nub in me:

1) It has been posited that pyro is going to use this to gain silly amounts of acres and crown. My question is, given that now its over 12 hrs into the war, the -75% gains is kicking in right, so it seems that would be at an end now right? So likely not so much going to happen anymore right?

2) It seems to me that the initial PK was probably somewhat wasteful no? Or was there a bigger release than I am thinking? I would have anticipated waiting for a second wave before PK to allow nice fat release/desertions and save some offense.

3) If CR plans on razing everyone to the ground, I am surprised not to see more bouncing already in the news on the one hand because of the possibility of early WD, so what do people think about the likelihood of success for leaving their cows alone for now? I appreciate the removal of core and the loss of offense/econ/science, but I wonder if it in the end works out better. Thoughts?

I just wanted to ask questions on this topic because there are so few opportunities to discuss the anatomy of a GB.

[guard14n]

It is talk like this that has enabled us to group together and agree to carry on the GB until 1) AMA changes their ways by agreeing to negotiate for a better game moving forward or 2) AMA disbands.

Have fun OOP getting GBed 4v1 again if Elit shares the same view as above. We don't care if it means only BB / PEW / LEGACY are competing in the top next age. Havoc / Rage/ Pyro and simians is in this until there is change.

AMA disbanding - in ur dreams mate. Feel free to search for us oop :D Feel free to 4v1 :D We dont mind messing with 100 people. It will be fun u know!

Also this post confirms everything i said above about each and every kd involved in the gb :D U are not Fair play alliance u are Foul play alliance. Cheers and keep being nubs :D

[TheOne]

To Pyro - cJ, Nesta - U guys are the worst from all. U were all acting soo good so friendly and so noble but in the end u are worse than them all. U had no problems with us dealbreaking Havoc when u though ur crown was assured. U had no issues with Havoc 2v1 us cuz this helped u. But when us revenging havoc came in ur way for a crown u just lost ur mind. We offered u a deal to raze land to ur size and be 5% smaller when u wanna war us thus deciding the age like men - that gave u clean shot in crowning, fair play and all u ever preached for but no u said NO cuz u dont want to be fair u just want it to be easy. U are the ones that started the GB via quotting cJ " <cJ> i think havoc only needed pyro though. i mean if pyro didnt join in, the others wont tbh". U are worse than Havoc - at least they openly stated that they wanna 2v1 us to win - u just hide behind pretty words and manipulative diplomacy. U wont get the crown i can assure u that - not this age not the next!

Let me first state that our chances of crowning were low (not zero) prior to you having your cows razed by some random ghetto. I rated the chances of winning as 25% against you guys. But the plan that Pyros has was simple at that point in time, b2b war with AMA and CR... No matter how low our chance was, we were determined to try, and fail if neccessary. Even kees (1 of the more reputable and respected players in pyro) said that he would have wanted to war ama, win ama and then probably lose to cr as cr had played a 'good diplo' age.

When your cows got razed by the external ghetto, I would say our chances of wining you guys rose to 75%. As we were 5v3 up there in the cow wars, and then a b2b with havoc is still massively disadvantageous, but we could still try for it. odds have improved. once again, even if we were to be farmed by cr after beating you guys, i can guarantee you that Pyros didnt mind that. And for those that say we have 0 chance for a b2b, it is not true. There are some setup comparative advantage over CR and we would need to exploit it post AMA war. I cannot share what would be a good setup vs CR now as we may be warring later in the age.

So after AMA knew their chances were messed up because they had ghetto problems, you guys held a vote on what to do. This is when Elit approached me saying that he suggested to AMA what he intends to do, and then you guys would vote on a decision. He told me he's going to offer 'acres for cf' and possibly let Pyro overtake CR. I dont care what AMA is going to do after this offer 'acres for cf'. All I know is that Elit telling me that I could either A) take those acesr B) AMA will intra-raze. And Elit said that if we dont take A, he will do B and pyros is ****ed because we needed a war with AMA to even have a small chance to war CR.. And Nesta&me knows this.

So now, Pyro's only small chance of crowning 'legitly' is being taken away because AMA decides not to war us.. their rationale for not warring us was because they said that even if they win Pyro, they would have 0 chance against cr, and they hate cr and dont want cr to crown. So, I dont know what's the right choice.. I can tell you there were people in pyros that were upset if option A) were to occur.. and we were like wtf? we got to take it or else we're ****ed?

In addition, I told Elit repeatedly that Pyro would prefer to war AMA and not take this 'acres for cf', but if AMA were to not war us and fsu CR, we would have to choose A which is to take this 'acres for cf'. I mentioned that I preferred to war AMA several times in our conversations and I can provide logs. So it's either AMA's hatred for CR is really very very deep, or they knew they couldnt win a 1v1 with Pyro then. Or maybe a combination of both.

Yes, perhaps we might made an incorrect decision by not speaking to Drixx or other notable figures in utopia for their opinion on how we should have proceed then. If the community thinks we should be action-ed for this, do let us know.

Fast forward several days later, and you guys decided to deal break cr. If you had read http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...9#post15279469 , you would know that Nesta & Me do agree that CR has some fault running up to this deal-break, but AMA definitely did a greater crime by clearly deal breaking and ****playing. I mean, come on, even you guys know what you did was wrong.

If we were to not take part in this gb, it means that we are indirectly supporting AMA action CR. And we do not condone this dealbreaking action. Even if AMA were to have a grudge with CR and wanted to settle with CR 1v1, your leadership+core members of AMA had differring opinions on what to do post 1v1 war. Some said that they would intra raze the acres, some said they would not. Some said they did this to 'punish' CR, some said they didnt mind crowning from this etc etc.

Even if Pyros were to trust your word and that you would intra-raze etc, I doubt the rest of the kingdoms partaking in this gb currently would trust you guys. And in the event that you guys go back on your word, you would be huge at 240k acres vs Pyros at 180k acres. With at least 3x 20k+ cows... I dont think any kingdom would be comfortable with this -> needing to trust AMA on their word (when AMA's leadership and senior core members had differing views on their post war plans). By then, it's going to be too late and it's going to be super hard to enforce anything on AMA at all. It would take at least 10x the effort now. No one knows what's going to happen in 1.5 weeks, and whether the kingdoms taking part now will take part then, and the conditions of these kingdoms then too.

Lastly, if you were to take a single sentence from our logs, I'm sure it can be misinterpreted out of context. What that statement meant was that for the gb to be successful, I believed CR only needed Pyros. Other kingdoms joining in definitely makes the job easier, and also gives out a shared common stance on this situation.

I have no wish to bear any grudges with you guys, but if you want to hold a grudge on Pyros, I cannot stop you. I already shared my viewpoints at http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...9#post15279469 that you guys had reason to be pissed, but Pyros not acting now shows that we advocate your deal-breaking.

-cJ

[Anri]

HHAHAHAHhahahahahah dude u need a shrink :D Ur ego is bigger than Godly and Proteus combined + delusions + ... well being Anri... Dude get it right - noone is scared of simians. U are a joke and u always be. The kd is not the problem - u are. As long as u are their leader u will always be "****played" by everyone (meaning ****playing in ur head is things dont go the way u dream it will go).
hahahah jeez dude ... just keep posting u make my day :D :D :D

It is funny when some random core player with like zero knowledge flex his muscles because he is part of AMA, the dealbreaking KD.
The day you get ur own KD built and come at me, i am more then happy to whop your ass. Infact i am more then happy to take AMA to war next age.
And if you win, congrats, until then, you got nothing on me. You are just the ****playing kd that dealbreaks and lie behind peoples backs to get ahead in this game.

[Korp]

We did set a declare wave on AMA and by the time we did Pyro waved us back stopping us from warring AMA. The point is, they used a situation to get ahead of us and then come claim they wanted to war us, when all along they could have made a 1 vs 1 fair war and proven to beat us fair.

What did you think would happend? When you double hostile someone is quite obvious they gonna retalliate.

And you are correct, they wave us, give button, making it a 2 vs 1 situation, when we had offered them legit war 1 on 1. They were the ones ruining a perfectly fun war where if they had won would got rights to say whatever to us. Yes, they backed out, because they choose to ****play over war us fair.

No, you created the 2vs1 situation, since you 2vs1 another kingdom.

But, you and most others in here thinks i am about taking advantage of people, but that is very wrong and Elit himself should be able to account for the honorable act we did towards AMA. But i guess, its not so fun to talk about it, its better to call Simians the ones that farm out when infact we had an open shot to farm him out and make him embarresed infront of the server. Its a clear difference between players such as myself and Elit, i do honorable acts, Elit doesnt because its in his nature to backstab and lie.

Well consider that you threaten to break my arms, twice. Promised to gangbang my old kingdom with your "allies" and friends if we waved you. MAde your then allies train up in vain cause you were too pussy to go through what you promised etc. There is nothing fair play about you, you're just a loser that talk big and well dont deliever.

[ABSLover]

Its rather naive to believe that any good would come to this, its just a bunch of pussy kingdoms that cant do **** towards AMA alone so they band toghter.

+1. Well said.

[American Badass]

We wouldn't have to disband, we could just become a group of solo provinces harrowing your wars and conflicts next age, after we screw the closest one of you up OOP :D I'm looking forward to next age :D

And clean slates after age 60? Don't make me laugh.

Please do. How we are going to play next age will suit that and you will see. AMA really has no clue what we hope to try and achieve that 25 solo provinces hitting in will not be as effective as you might think. We want to and will change the game for the good. It is a shame AMA will not help and this post can verify to the whole of the community AMA true intentions.

Of course. We would rather AMA come into the talks and put all this behind us and can come up with a set of rules we can ALL follow and if one decides not too the rest gb them. AMA fails to see that we WANT their input for a fair game moving forward.

We want ALL PAST GRUDGES to get scrapped and for a clean slate to be made whereby we can create our own rules as Bishop has said time and time again that they wont ever help.

We want Simians, Rage, Pew, Pyro, Havoc, BB, AMA, EJ (If they come back), Legacy, Rusty and anyone else who wants to compete to group together and come up with a list of what is acceptable and not. This list can include all kinds of measures that we can ALL agree upon.

An example (anything outside of these guidelines will result from a GB from the kds above regardless of current CF. We hope the threat is a deterrent enough that people WONT ****play each other):

- A notice is given by starting and cancelling a dragon on the same tick
- A thread can't be made until notice can be given
- Robbing IS a hostile act
- EOWCF means EOWCF. NO OPS IN.
- B2B is allowed
- It is up to both kd leaders to agree to extend a cf notice.
- hitting into wars is NEVER allowed

The above is a brief example of what we *COULD* come up with and build upon. We would appreciate everyone's input, AMA included.

I'd like to think with conversations with Drug/Cello they'd both like the above as well and so we can finally put an end to "this happened 3 ages ago". Until we try it out we can't say it won't work. If we agreed to this and Rage ever pulled shady ****, I'd leave. Until we change our mentality the game will always fail and the land/NW chart will die a lot quicker than the whole game itself.

[ABSLover]

It is funny when some random core player with like zero knowledge flex his muscles because he is part of AMA, the dealbreaking KD.
The day you get ur own KD built and come at me, i am more then happy to whop your ass. Infact i am more then happy to take AMA to war next age.
And if you win, congrats, until then, you got nothing on me. You are just the ****playing kd that dealbreaks and lie behind peoples backs to get ahead in this game.

I believe that you are more funny. Everyone is laugh at you. =)