CR vs AMA

[Anri]

If you don't trust me don't make deals with me. Its was Anri asking me for deal all age.

I asked you for a CF one time this age, ONE TIME! When we both needed it.
get over yourself!

[Elit]

I don't think you get the privilege of making offers.

I got it. People asked me for my opinion and i share it honest :)

I asked you for a CF one time this age, ONE TIME! When we both needed it.
get over yourself!

You asked for CF, after it expire you asked for extend.

[Soul_Hunter]

You completely wrecked the outcome of the age, it's not about taking back exactly what you took, it's about punishing you. They should really be continuing and raze kill the smalls you still have.

Also, they really should be continuing to raze you, because you're going to come OOWP with the button on several KDs and the potential to still wreck the age.

And who exactly did we wreck age?

CR had shot at crown and still have. Lost 8-10k acres total from conflict
Pyro had less chances to crown than now. Now they have gained 30k acres or so, you can hardly say it is a wrecked age for them.
There is only one kingdom that really lost and had their age wrecked - AMA.
So yeah, you are full of meep*.

[faegan]

And who exactly did we wreck age?

CR had shot at crown and still have. Lost 8-10k acres total from conflict
Pyro had less chances to crown than now. Now they have gained 30k acres or so, you can hardly say it is a wrecked age for them.
There is only one kingdom that really lost and had their age wrecked - AMA.
So yeah, you are full of meep*.

I agree with added remark that AMA did all the wrecking.

[Elit]

I agree with added remark that AMA did all the wrecking.

Agree with AMA keep this game alive and interest in top every age ;)

[Gakundra]

Just a random question for Elit. You seem to get all worked up by saying that CR wouldn't accept your deal terms until you were razed down by Remote and that somehow that makes them bad people because you were in a position where you couldn't win.

I get that they did this whole thread and stuff and that pissed you off and I'm not going to get into the argument. But...isn't the logic of granting you a CF when you were down just like you granting kingdoms who ask for extensions because they are in conflict / you don't want to vulture them? The same thing you've repeatedly posted about to show how nice and honourable you are?

Isn't it the point that when your kingdom is having the most difficult time that they should be granting you the extension with reasonable terms and that actually makes them reasonable people rather than just continuing to offer you no other opportunity?

I'm just confused by that.

Anyway, continue. More lame play by all. Not enough nudies.

[MrCurious]

I don't think you get the privilege of making offers.

You ****play, your fate is in other people's hands.

No offer that doesn't involve resetting your cows should be considered by anybody as a cause for stopping the razes.

Dude, who are you and what happened to you since all you can post is hateful nonsense?

[wickedfail]

I said Pyro will be bigger and they are. Also they stopped hitting us at certain point (that was after your assumptions making them still wrong). Also CR has no chance in the upper size provs.

And we talk about numbers... AMA gained 35k acres from CR and lost 55k to gb. Care to explain? :)

If you disregard pool acres, yes Pyro is bigger. But anyone knows pool acres are just as important as built acres when dealing with whoring.

And I don't really care about their chances or their cows/calves/or size of provs. I didn't ask for that.

You ask how CR was going to make up a 25k acre difference. I told you how, and they have.

[Elit]

Just a random question for Elit. You seem to get all worked up by saying that CR wouldn't accept your deal terms until you were razed down by Remote and that somehow that makes them bad people because you were in a position where you couldn't win.

I get that they did this whole thread and stuff and that pissed you off and I'm not going to get into the argument. But...isn't the logic of granting you a CF when you were down just like you granting kingdoms who ask for extensions because they are in conflict / you don't want to vulture them? The same thing you've repeatedly posted about to show how nice and honourable you are?

Isn't it the point that when your kingdom is having the most difficult time that they should be granting you the extension with reasonable terms and that actually makes them reasonable people rather than just continuing to offer you no other opportunity?

I'm just confused by that.

Anyway, continue. More lame play by all. Not enough nudies.

Way you say its sounds logic :)
For begin you need to understand im care a lot for ppl keep his words. WE had for 3 ages very reasonable relations with Zauper. I cant accept his KD can take over him and he cant make deal he keep us belie we have done for few days. WE dont have this kind relations. I was believing we are in much better terms from age begin. If i had reason to worry for havoc i will have set my cf with pyro to expire 24h before havoc for more flex. But i trusted Zauper and his good will. After he gone his KD show total arrogance. Just check page 1-2. They was not confident they can win age if we war and farm pyro. So far we had better chances in incoming war vs Pyro till ex Havoc player start raze our cows. This messed much our prepare for Pyro but we still had chances. For few days Havoc offered us lame deals like: they can let us war pyro but if we end bigger from havoc there is no notice deal, if we are smaller they will give us 72h notice. Sure its dont show "honorable play". After we get complete messed and become clear our chances for win vs pyro drop Havoc decide to act like good guy and offered us keep notice but after war is over we must War havoc and we cant b2b war with pyro. This simple give Havoc age win with no options for both ama and pyro and only way for ama/pyro to compete Havoc is making shady deal...
In short Havoc made terrible dumb move with start all this mess. Best chance for them to win age was simple sit and pump till our war is over and after it notice kd win war. This way there is no risk from shady deals too.

[Godly]

But i trusted Zauper and his good will. After he gone his KD show total arrogance. Just check page 1-2.
...
Best chance for them to win age was simple sit and pump till our war is over and after it notice kd win war. This way there is no risk from shady deals too.

And what happens when you go after Pyro again after hypothetical war is over? My post in the first few pages is stressing that it is unfair that we don't get to fight either of you simply because the two of you came to the conclusion that fighting us is suicide. So essentially you put us in a position where we could literally watch you two fight over and over again stalling, accumulating ww bonuses, and avoiding us completely to crown. It's indirect chartshaping (agreed wars to avoid the stronger kingdom) which you chastised pew2 and someone else for doing two rounds ago (and pretty sure you ultimately hit into their hostile/war, can't remember).

That's where OUR frustration came from: You're admitting that we have the better kingdom, but could potentially lose the round because of being "nice guys" and not interfering.

We had no problem letting you two fight if winner agreed to fight us.

Somewhere along the road, this turned into "Havoc is ****playing us.. dealbreak time!" If you would have just tried to negotiate SOMETHING instead of looking for the easy way out, we could have saved a lot of time and reputation here.

P.S. you continuously call me a random player with no leadership at all yet you seem to be fixated on what I said in this thread. If you think I'm just a random player, why are you concerned about my posts on here? When Crazy_Pete makes a post on here, I don't put much stock into it.

[Elit]

It's indirect chartshaping (agreed wars to avoid the weaker kingdom)

Fixed for you! You have loss wars in past from both AMA and Pyro so we are better kds and is normal to war for crown :P

Im sure you don't understand it but way your kd played this age is shame for game. You cant sit on your ass and pump for 9 weeks and pretend after it you are good kd and deserve to win age. All what you did is abuse game mechanic and bully/vulture small kds. You cant gain any respect with this kind play.

[Meep]

Fixed for you! You have loss wars in past from both AMA and Pyro so we are better kds and is normal to war for crown :P

Im sure you don't understand it but way your kd played this age is shame for game. You cant sit on your ass and pump for 9 weeks and pretend after it you are good kd and deserve to win age. All what you did is abuse game mechanic and bully/vulture small kds. You cant gain any respect with this kind play.

At least when they bully a smaller KD they do it right and respectfully and don't get their banks razed the next age as a result.

The way your KD played this age is shame for game. You can't have an outstanding roster and beat all comers for 9 weeks and then lose all chance of crown because you bullied the wrong ghetto and pretend after it you are good kd and deserve to win age. All what you did is get abused by game mechanics and deal break. You can't gain any respect with this kind of play.

[Godly]

I like how there's only one way to play utopia and if you don't play that way, you get dealbroken. Bullying kingdoms? That's the entire point of utopia -- take acres from people who don't want to give them. Did you bully that ghetto when you tricked them into warring you OOP?

[guard14n]

At least when they bully a smaller KD they do it right and respectfully and don't get their banks razed the next age as a result.

The way your KD played this age is shame for game. You can't have an outstanding roster and beat all comers for 9 weeks and then lose all chance of crown because you bullied the wrong ghetto and pretend after it you are good kd and deserve to win age. All what you did is get abused by game mechanics and deal break. You can't gain any respect with this kind of play.

Rly ?! Winning all our wars vs opponents vastly bigger and more pumped than us, with bank provinces and on top of all back 2 back is shame for the game? What did ur kd do?

I think half the people dat post here should stop using drugs! DRUGS - THIS IS NOT THE ANSWER!

[guard14n]

I like how there's only one way to play utopia and if you don't play that way, you get dealbroken. Bullying kingdoms? That's the entire point of utopia -- take acres from people who don't want to give them. Did you bully that ghetto when you tricked them into warring you OOP?

Did u bully the 100 ghettoes u got ur acres from all age? Sure u did its what u and ur kd do...
We got 1 war vs a ghettoo and it was straight oop ... plus they were our only option at that time. Reaching for straws much noobly?