CR vs AMA

[thecaracal]

Way you say its sounds logic :)
For begin you need to understand im care a lot for ppl keep his words. WE had for 3 ages very reasonable relations with Zauper. I cant accept his KD can take over him and he cant make deal he keep us belie we have done for few days. WE dont have this kind relations. I was believing we are in much better terms from age begin. If i had reason to worry for havoc i will have set my cf with pyro to expire 24h before havoc for more flex. But i trusted Zauper and his good will. After he gone his KD show total arrogance. Just check page 1-2. They was not confident they can win age if we war and farm pyro. So far we had better chances in incoming war vs Pyro till ex Havoc player start raze our cows. This messed much our prepare for Pyro but we still had chances. For few days Havoc offered us lame deals like: they can let us war pyro but if we end bigger from havoc there is no notice deal, if we are smaller they will give us 72h notice. Sure its dont show "honorable play". After we get complete messed and become clear our chances for win vs pyro drop Havoc decide to act like good guy and offered us keep notice but after war is over we must War havoc and we cant b2b war with pyro. This simple give Havoc age win with no options for both ama and pyro and only way for ama/pyro to compete Havoc is making shady deal...
In short Havoc made terrible dumb move with start all this mess. Best chance for them to win age was simple sit and pump till our war is over and after it notice kd win war. This way there is no risk from shady deals too.

Let me see if I can translate this from Elitish. I believe it reads, "Zauper, I thought we were friends. You're doing what's right for your kingdom, but it's bad for my kingdom. All you had to do was sit and wait for us to get stronger before fighting us, and that would make you a good person."

What an awful ad hominem. Come on Elit. You can construct better arguments than this if you want to say they're a weaker kd.

[Crazy Pete]

P.S. you continuously call me a random player with no leadership at all yet you seem to be fixated on what I said in this thread. If you think I'm just a random player, why are you concerned about my posts on here? When Crazy_Pete makes a post on here, I don't put much stock into it.

Godly don't be angry about my province name, it's not permanent :P I will probably change it to another in a few days. It's all out of good fun.

[Sheister]

You completely wrecked the outcome of the age, it's not about taking back exactly what you took, it's about punishing you. They should really be continuing and raze kill the smalls you still have.

Also, they really should be continuing to raze you, because you're going to come OOWP with the button on several KDs and the potential to still wreck the age.

WTF?!? EVeryone has stopped razing? Pathetic.

[wickedfail]

Rly ?! Winning all our wars vs opponents vastly bigger and more pumped than us, with bank provinces and on top of all back 2 back is shame for the game? What did ur kd do?

I think half the people dat post here should stop using drugs! DRUGS - THIS IS NOT THE ANSWER!

There is more to top play than warring. Considering you were at a constant "disadvantage" shows how inexperienced you guys are.

[guard14n]

There is more to top play than warring. Considering you were at a constant "disadvantage" shows how inexperienced you guys are.

hahahahahhaahahaahahahahaahahahaahahahaahahahahaha .... inexperienced .... hahahahahahaahahahahaah no no no i cant take it anymore ... the noobness .... the foolishness... the retardness... hahahahahahahahahaahah :D :D :D :D

[Proteus]

Let me see if I can translate this from Elitish. I believe it reads, "Zauper, I thought we were friends. You're doing what's right for your kingdom, but it's bad for my kingdom. All you had to do was sit and wait for us to get stronger before fighting us, and that would make you a good person."

What an awful ad hominem. Come on Elit. You can construct better arguments than this if you want to say they're a weaker kd.

You do realize the long cf AMA gave Havoc was at beginning of age and based on good relations and was also FREE. If we knew havoc would play dirty like this and decide to end good relations out of pure greed and no self confidence (afraid we war pyro first when they have pumped for 9 weeks) they would have never had a cf like this and would have been taken down earlier in age same way they lost to BB and us last 2 ages. Get real, it's a 2 way street.

[Crazy Pete]

There is more to top play than warring. Considering you were at a constant "disadvantage" shows how inexperienced you guys are.

Ok let's keep this to some kind of facts please lol. This was our warring age, hence the Polar Bears tag. The fact that we were a top 3 kd late age just shows how bad the competition is in the game right now. It's not exactly the "Golden Age" of Utopia.

Feel free to chat with any of the better players in the game and get any of them to say Elit or our kingdom is "inexperienced" that isn't biased and I'll give you 100 credits. I do pay my bets ask around, I'll go 2:1 odds vs u, you loose u just owe me 50 k ? :P

[guard14n]

Almost every core member of ama is ex leader or have played in a concul in strong kds from the silver and golden age of utopia. We have almost no new players here (new is playing less than 2 years this game). Who was ur kd again wickedfail? I've been in this game for almost 14 years and have no bloody idea who u are :D

inexperienced - hahahahahahaahaahahahahaah looooooool

[Zauper]

I made 2 reasonable offers to GB alliance but they don't care about fair play and don't want to accept them.
Sad :(

What were your reasonable offers?

[Zauper]

Let me see if I can translate this from Elitish. I believe it reads, "Zauper, I thought we were friends. You're doing what's right for your kingdom, but it's bad for my kingdom. All you had to do was sit and wait for us to get stronger before fighting us, and that would make you a good person."

What an awful ad hominem. Come on Elit. You can construct better arguments than this if you want to say they're a weaker kd.

CR offered to increase notice to 4 days and war the winner if pyro / AMA agreed to not b2b war.

[skoyl12]

1. To give him crown
2. CR and pyro wd from crown race
:)

[flogger]

CR offered to increase notice to 4 days and war the winner if pyro / AMA agreed to not b2b war.

This is what I don't get, why wasn't this taken? Whether its 4 days or 6 days or whatever.

[Soul_Hunter]

Sounds reasonable :D. I told him to make a 3rd offer. Province honor, land and NW crowns + undead land/nw crown :P, he ignored me :/

[Shai]

This is what I don't get, why wasn't this taken? Whether its 4 days or 6 days or whatever.

Because AMA realised they would lose to Pyro so they took the easy way out: Dealbreaking CR

The last 30 pages or so is just rambling of bad excuses so it wont look as bad and weak as it really is. Reality is, after remote screwed over AMA CR did give AMA the deal they wanted. But because AMA realised they still couldnt win, despite being given what they wanted, they came up with the briliant excuse that CR had been "disrespectful" in forums and dealings with them, and that was cause enough to dealbreak.

If it looks like ****, and smells like ****, then it most likely is ****.

[Drixx]

What were your reasonable offers?

1.) He demanded that we all self raze and gift Elit the crown he thinks he's "entitled" to.
2.) We all self-raze out of the top 10

That's his idea of diplomacy.