CR vs AMA

[Soul_Hunter]

Why would they? The top gained what they wanted and want to continue winning the crown, smaller kds don't want to die :).

[Remote]

So Havoc used his shell to raze AMA before his war with Pyro and we got GBed for **** play.
Welcome in age 60 fair play rules :P

We are nobody's shell. Moreover, we don't really like most of the people in that kingdom - it's why I threaten them with razes every age. They're just smart enough to CF me, as opposed to you, who hit me into postwar and then sent taunting messages saying you will give me a CF or keep hitting me.

You literally hit me into postwar for thousands of acres last age, after telling me you wouldn't do that, then sent me messages saying you would do me a favor and CF give me a CF after taking 4k acres because otherwise you'd hurt me further. Any search for other reasons is not needed - you brought this on yourself.

[Remote]

Remote from last age have posted with different nick last age. Why you have new reg?
I know People in Havoc good enough. Im sure you are direct linked with them. And when there is no targets its look suspicious how you got CFs with all big kds. Its not hard to farm you and its what big kds do every age.

That's not me, obviously. The funny part is, he's the one who razed your bank. I only razed the smaller provinces.

[Proteus]

Proteus: no ex CR player razed you. Stop claiming it or come up with proof. This is the third or fourth time I've seen that false accusation.

So there are no ex-CR players from this age in that kd?

[Remote]

About last age, we had retal war all age. Its take 2 sides for it and i offered you several times CF, was rejected.
About next age. Looking for it and you :)

You hit us into hostile, we retaliated in kind. You took our intel into postwar, I asked what was going on, you said you were just checking threats and would not hit us. Then you hit me into postwar for about 3,000 acres. Then you sent me messages saying you would do me a favor and CF me, or else you were going to keep beating me up. I told you I wasn't going to take acres, razed you a bunch and promised you I wouldn't be forgetting your dirty play.

I'm amazed that you can't figure out why we razed you this age, or why we're going to be razing you next age and every age until you apologize both for your dirty play and for pretending like this was anything other than your fault.

For those in doubt, we treat all kingdoms fairly and have agreed to a kingdom principle that as long as people don't treat us like assholes, we won't be assholes to them. Jerks dealbroke us last age and hit us into postwar - they apologized, so we let it go. Legacy dealbroke us this age and hit us into our raze-fest - they apologized, so we made a fair deal and let it go. Honestly, it isn't that hard. We don't ask that we don't be hit or that we don't fight, just that we be treated by fairly standard rules. Don't hit us into hostile, don't hit us into war, don't hit us into postwar, and if you make a deal with us, keep it. If you screw any of that up, apologize and talk to us and we'll figure it out. Of course, if you ignore that and treat us like assholes, we'll be even bigger bastards back. It's obviously in everyone's best interests to just play fairly with us, but for some reason people think they deserve special treatment, then get surprised when they get treated like **** by us. Payback is a *****, you get what's coming to you.

[Proteus]

Let me lead everyone to another observation: is it normal for "unorganized" ghetto players to be so active in forums and doing PR? Seems like someone with deeply rooted interests here to me...

[Remote]

As the ghetto in question, just thought I'd share my story with the world.

AMA hit me into nearly every hostile my kingdom had this age. Any time we were in war, they took my intel. In postwar, they would constantly take intel, and as soon as my kingdom left war, they hit me.

During my last war, I reached 12,000 acres, and noticed them continuing to take intel. I asked them to stop taking my information in war, and received a response that they were only checking to see how much offense I had so they could train enough defense. They assured me that they would not hit me the rest of the age. This is what's known as "a lie".

We won our war about 10 days from the end of the age. The intel started again. 24 hours after the war ended, while still in postwar, AMA hit me. The hits persisted, with between 2 and 5 hits every day, through the end of postwar. As a smart player, I realized I had no hope of gaining acres off them, since any acres that I gained would get taken back when they hit me, so I started razing. My friends saw the low defense in AMA and realized they could raze too, so they did. All told, we razed over 10,000 acres over the last week of the age. AMA hit me from 12,000 acres to about 3,600, with over half of that being Traditional Marches, with the rest razes.

So yes, "1 ghetto" razed AMA; for hitting into our hostiles and our post-war period. AMA showed no respect or class, and we will offer them none in the future. We compare their behavior to Jerks, who hit us once into postwar and immediately apologized for it and looked to make amends. We also compare their behavior to another kingdom, who we won't name but consider our closest friends, who agreed to a fair deal and honored it throughout the age even when they could have very easily hurt us further. Those kingdoms behaved with class, respect and dignity, and I have respect for them. AMA behaved like animals, and will be treated as such this age.

Just for fun, I dug up my post explaining our actions from last age. This was from December. I suppose the fact where I basically promised to do this two months ago (prior to the age even beginning) was ignored, though I can't figure out why new motives need to be assigned.

Please do all of us in [Kingdom Name TBD] a favor and don't be surprised when we raze AMA again next age. Once again - until we receive our apology and acknowledgement that they played unfairly with us and were wrong, we'll be doing this every age.

[Fury]

Just for fun, I dug up my post explaining our actions from last age. This was from December. I suppose the fact where I basically promised to do this two months ago (prior to the age even beginning) was ignored, though I can't figure out why new motives need to be assigned.

Please do all of us in [Kingdom Name TBD] a favor and don't be surprised when we raze AMA again next age. Once again - until we receive our apology and acknowledgement that they played unfairly with us and were wrong, we'll be doing this every age.

You are more than welcome to try. Id be very surprised if we fall for it again, most likely if we find you, you will be farmed before you can even cause any damage

[Zauper]

So there are no ex-CR players from this age in that kd?

There is one. At the time they hit you, he was aprox 100 acres. Maybe 107. Are you saying your banks were razed by a 100a prov? Perhaps you meant razed by a kd with one of our former players? Are you also blaming me because my ghetto made a raze on you in the GB?

He was there when they threatened us for a CF, too.

The monarch (or steward? - the one who played remote last age) is some ex rage player, I think. I've seen his name once or twice but have no access to logs and the name was not one I knew.

And elit, it's an issue of effort. We Cfd him without hits last age and this because he's much more obnoxious to deal With then other similar provs, especially after seeing him fight you last age. I'd rather hit dralex or outplayers or true ghettos that overgrow in war. Sure, I could take the acres, but then I'd have to train up and trade hits for days. Doesn't seem worth the payout.

And....be smart here, folks. You can build a kd in a day at EOA, there's no reason to have a shell. If I did have one, it would be ED, and filled with retired players of mine, not abs kids.

[Remote]

You are more than welcome to try. Id be very surprised if we fall for it again, most likely if we find you, you will be farmed before you can even cause any damage

Never been afraid of a fight :) To be fair, we're now 2-0 in our raze fights vs AMA

It's fairly simple, really. Ghetto kingdoms are the easiest targets for acres, since they have the least recourse for getting them back. It is in most people's best interests, then, to try and take my acres from me. This means it's not in their best interests to give me a ceasefire deal, since that locks them out of getting my acres. If I want ceasefire deals, I need to both show that I won't give anything away easily and that if I'm treated unfairly, I'll make the offender suffer much worse than what he would have gained. If I don't, I'm just Outplayers Empire - handing out acres, calling some token retals "justice". I've set a fairly simple and easy precedent for everyone: treat us fairly and we'll treat you fairly, attack us and we'll attack back plenty hard, **** with us and we'll **** you over a lot worse than you did to us.

As long as we get fair treatment, we play nicely. When Beastblood waved us last age, we gave them the wave and walked away with a CF. No dealbreaks, no razes - they played fair, we play fair.

I'm amazed that a concept this simple is so difficult to understand.

[Remote]

There is one. At the time they hit you, he was aprox 100 acres. Maybe 107. Are you saying your banks were razed by a 100a prov? Perhaps you meant razed by a kd with one of our former players? Are you also blaming me because my ghetto made a raze on you in the GB?

He was there when they threatened us for a CF, too.

The monarch (or steward? - the one who played remote last age) is some ex rage player, I think. I've seen his name once or twice but have no access to logs and the name was not one I knew.

And elit, it's an issue of effort. We Cfd him without hits last age and this because he's much more obnoxious to deal With then other similar provs, especially after seeing him fight you last age. I'd rather hit dralex or outplayers or true ghettos that overgrow in war. Sure, I could take the acres, but then I'd have to train up and trade hits for days. Doesn't seem worth the payout.

Uh, I threaten you all the time. I also ripped on you for most of last age for farming out when you sent me so many messages telling me not to farm out. Of course, that was after I kinda pushed you into giving us a deal because I threatened to raze your banks when you were putting them up.

Game Date March 5 of YR5
Real Date Wed, 22 Jan at 22:41 GMT+00:00
Sender The Conniving Knight Move It of I like I like the girls (1:26)
Recipient The Wise Lord oh nooo im falling of Fell into a pitfall (6:11)
Subject Advice

Your Cromulency,

March 4 of YR5 We have found thieves from told to make some massacres (6:11) causing trouble within our lands!
March 4 of YR5 Shadowlight has revealed thieves from told to make some massacres (6:11) causing trouble within our lands!
March 4 of YR5 We have found thieves from told to make some massacres (6:11) causing trouble within our lands!


It is unwise to have your kingdom take my intel when your big elf has only 134k defense. Please educate them on this principle.

That was a fun day.

Edit: The message was from this age, when they were taking my intel even though we had a CF in place. I "politely" suggested I would raze their big Elf if they did anything stupid. Unsurprisingly, they didn't do anything stupid.

[Judge]

Just for fun, I dug up my post explaining our actions from last age. This was from December. I suppose the fact where I basically promised to do this two months ago (prior to the age even beginning) was ignored, though I can't figure out why new motives need to be assigned.

Please do all of us in [Kingdom Name TBD] a favor and don't be surprised when we raze AMA again next age. Once again - until we receive our apology and acknowledgement that they played unfairly with us and were wrong, we'll be doing this every age.

So Proteus/Flogger. This post which was 2 months back, You still wanna try to make out a conspiracy theory and blame havoc that they were responsible for the razes?

[Soul_Hunter]

Never been afraid of a fight :) To be fair, we're now 2-0 in our raze fights vs AMA

It's fairly simple, really. Ghetto kingdoms are the easiest targets for acres, since they have the least recourse for getting them back. It is in most people's best interests, then, to try and take my acres from me. This means it's not in their best interests to give me a ceasefire deal, since that locks them out of getting my acres. If I want ceasefire deals, I need to both show that I won't give anything away easily and that if I'm treated unfairly, I'll make the offender suffer much worse than what he would have gained. If I don't, I'm just Outplayers Empire - handing out acres, calling some token retals "justice". I've set a fairly simple and easy precedent for everyone: treat us fairly and we'll treat you fairly, attack us and we'll attack back plenty hard, **** with us and we'll **** you over a lot worse than you did to us.

As long as we get fair treatment, we play nicely. When Beastblood waved us last age, we gave them the wave and walked away with a CF. No dealbreaks, no razes - they played fair, we play fair.

I'm amazed that a concept this simple is so difficult to understand.

I don't even remember you from last age so i guess it's only you counting.

[bitchup420]

Remote is my hero

[faegan]

BTW all this "fair play" Grup start show his face. Rusty joined on razes us when we never cross path in past. Guess why? For get protection from rest kds and masive explore.
Criminals say: catch criminals. Its all about ppl involved in GB.

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