CR vs AMA

[Nightmare_]

You are more than welcome to try. Id be very surprised if we fall for it again, most likely if we find you, you will be farmed before you can even cause any damage

Furypro, if you really did hit him into post war, then he is justified. Have you guys really fallen so far that you can't see that he has reasons for razing you? Even now, you continue to trash talk him without any sign that you will at least swallow your pride and apologize for hitting into war.

I just don't get it. What happened to creating a KD that "everyone will respect?" Wasn't that the original goal of creating AMA? Not saying that Fair Play Alliance is justified in gbing (I personally don't agree with it), but you aren't helping your case either, unless your aim is to create as many enemies as possible.

[faegan]

You hit us into hostile, we retaliated in kind. You took our intel into postwar, I asked what was going on, you said you were just checking threats and would not hit us. Then you hit me into postwar for about 3,000 acres. Then you sent me messages saying you would do me a favor and CF me, or else you were going to keep beating me up. I told you I wasn't going to take acres, razed you a bunch and promised you I wouldn't be forgetting your dirty play.

I'm amazed that you can't figure out why we razed you this age, or why we're going to be razing you next age and every age until you apologize both for your dirty play and for pretending like this was anything other than your fault.

For those in doubt, we treat all kingdoms fairly and have agreed to a kingdom principle that as long as people don't treat us like assholes, we won't be assholes to them. Jerks dealbroke us last age and hit us into postwar - they apologized, so we let it go. Legacy dealbroke us this age and hit us into our raze-fest - they apologized, so we made a fair deal and let it go. Honestly, it isn't that hard. We don't ask that we don't be hit or that we don't fight, just that we be treated by fairly standard rules. Don't hit us into hostile, don't hit us into war, don't hit us into postwar, and if you make a deal with us, keep it. If you screw any of that up, apologize and talk to us and we'll figure it out. Of course, if you ignore that and treat us like assholes, we'll be even bigger bastards back. It's obviously in everyone's best interests to just play fairly with us, but for some reason people think they deserve special treatment, then get surprised when they get treated like **** by us. Payback is a *****, you get what's coming to you.

Are you recruiting?

[Fury]

If you really did hit him into post war, then he is justified. Have you guys really fallen so far that you can't see that he has reasons for razing you? Even now, you continue to trash talk him without any sign that you will at least swallow your pride and apologize for hitting into war.

I just don't get it. What happened to creating a KD that "everyone will respect?" Wasn't that the original goal of creating AMA? Not saying that Fair Play Alliance is justified in gbing, but you aren't helping your case either, unless your aim is to create as many enemies as possible.

He has reasons for hitting us for last age and they are justified.
But he also hit us into active hostile, yes after we ****played him. But threatening to hit us every age? Was there not talk about clean slates?

Of course if the threatens to hit every age, we should find him ASAP and make sure he never grows to a size where he has that option. I dont see any reason or gain to CF every ghetto on the server, we need to grow aswell.

[Nightmare_]

He has reasons for hitting us for last age and they are justified.
But he also hit us into active hostile, yes after we ****played him. But threatening to hit us every age? Was there not talk about clean slates?

Of course if the threatens to hit every age, we should find him ASAP and make sure he never grows to a size where he has that option. I dont see any reason or gain to CF every ghetto on the server, we need to grow aswell.

Yeah, a clean slate is always nice, but it's hard for that to happen when both parties are perpetuating malice. I've yet to see any apologies from AMA for hitting into war. From what I've read, what he has a problem with most is the fact that you outright lied to him.

[Fury]

Yeah, a clean slate is always nice, but it's hard for that to happen when both parties are perpetuating malice. I've yet to see any apologies from AMA for hitting into war. From what I've read, what he has a problem with most is the fact that you outright lied to him.

Well, he can do what he wants, if he threatens us to hit every age, we will make sure he cant every age. He caught us by surprised caused by our own stupidity and we will make sure it doesnt happen again. Its no difference from farming any small ghetto to grow your kd. It happens every age, every good kd does it.

If he wants an apology its way too late for it, he hit into hostiles as well.

[faegan]

Furypro, if you really did hit him into post war, then he is justified. Have you guys really fallen so far that you can't see that he has reasons for razing you? Even now, you continue to trash talk him without any sign that you will at least swallow your pride and apologize for hitting into war.

I just don't get it. What happened to creating a KD that "everyone will respect?" Wasn't that the original goal of creating AMA? Not saying that Fair Play Alliance is justified in gbing (I personally don't agree with it), but you aren't helping your case either, unless your aim is to create as many enemies as possible.

Remote seems quite reasonable following his posts; just don't ****play him. For those of you that need to be taught about what constitutes ****play, let's just stick with the methods that Remote said that AMA used:

1. Hit into hostile
2. Hit into EOWCF
3. Lie (=dealbreak ? up for debate, since no official CF)

As payback, Remote already razed AMA previous age. What he wants is an apology, but AMA is too stubborn to give it. After recent actions by Remote, wouldn't the appropriate response from a top kingdom like AMA be, to settle the matter diplomatically and not risk losing yet another age due to ghetto issues?

If any top 10 kingdom was treated like this by another top 10 kingdom, there would be some sort of action taken, wouldn't there?

If he wants an apology its way too late for it, he hit into hostiles as well.

He hit into hostiles after you ****played him and didn't apologize. So, the matter wasn't resolved. Who was it last age that said you can't keep unresolved relations and then QQ when the other party hits you? (Referring to Fratzia -vs- ED)

[Fury]

Remote seems quite reasonable following his posts; just don't ****play him. For those of you that need to be taught about what constitutes ****play, let's just stick with the methods that Remote said that AMA used:

1. Hit into hostile
2. Hit into EOWCF
3. Lie (=dealbreak ? up for debate, since no official CF)

As payback, Remote already razed AMA previous age. What he wants is an apology, but AMA is too stubborn to give it. After recent actions by Remote, wouldn't the appropriate response from a top kingdom like AMA be, to settle the matter diplomatically and not risk losing yet another age due to ghetto issues?

If any top 10 kingdom was treated like this by another top 10 kingdom, there would be some sort of action taken, wouldn't there?

Actually, how can his rights not be completely void after he ALSO breaks his own rules by hitting us into hostile afterwards?

If it was top10 KD A who hit into hostile from Top KD B, later in the age B hit into the hostile of KD A, then most people would count the situation as settled or at least as both parties equally dirty.

Now, next age Remote hits us completely unprovoked, IN THAT AGE. And now asks for an apology? How does that make sense?

[Remote]

He has reasons for hitting us for last age and they are justified.
But he also hit us into active hostile, yes after we ****played him. But threatening to hit us every age? Was there not talk about clean slates?

Of course if the threatens to hit every age, we should find him ASAP and make sure he never grows to a size where he has that option. I dont see any reason or gain to CF every ghetto on the server, we need to grow aswell.

Just to be clear, you're suggesting that your kingdom played unfairly towards me, when I reciprocated, they acted deceptively and played in a much dirtier and unfair way with me...so I should let that go after the age? Just give you a clean slate?

Again, I'm unbelievably transparent, and I suppose that's part of the reason people are having a hard time understanding our motives, but it's simple. If I'm a patsy, I get played every age. Accordingly, I'm generously fair with kingdoms that play fairly. However, I refuse to allow the people who play unfairly with me to set the terms by which unfair play will be taken. If your kingdom plays unfairly with me, I'll do whatever I want back, including but not limited to razing you every age. The whole idea that the person who does the unfair play gets to set the extent of unfair play is asinine. "We only hit you into postwar, why does that give you the right to raze our banks?" It's not a sliding scale, it's binary - if your kingdom demonstrates that they will not play fairly with mine, then I have no qualms about taking any and all actions at any time.

I'm truly amazed that people are so over the moon about this. All we've ever asked for was an acknowledgement of wrongdoing, an apology and an agreement to be played fairly with in the future. Apparently that's an excessive demand, so we'll stick to Plan B: Raze Wars!

[Remote]

Actually, how can his rights not be completely void after he ALSO breaks his own rules by hitting us into hostile afterwards?

If it was top10 KD A who hit into hostile from Top KD B, later in the age B hit into the hostile of KD A, then most people would count the situation as settled or at least as both parties equally dirty.

Now, next age Remote hits us completely unprovoked, IN THAT AGE. And now asks for an apology? How does that make sense?

First of all, I can't find any rules of the game, written or unwritten, that suggest that our kingdom hitting yours was against any rules or code. You weren't in hostile, weren't in a notice period, there were no CFs, there was no unwritten agreement, there was NOTHING between our kingdoms. Are you suggesting that's dirty play?

I asked for my apology last age, and committed to punishing you until I received it. That statement stands.

[Remote]

Are you recruiting?

We don't really recruit so much as just kinda do stuff. You can ask my Advisor, he's the monarch.

[Fury]

Just to be clear, you're suggesting that your kingdom played unfairly towards me, when I reciprocated, they acted deceptively and played in a much dirtier and unfair way with me...so I should let that go after the age? Just give you a clean slate?

Again, I'm unbelievably transparent, and I suppose that's part of the reason people are having a hard time understanding our motives, but it's simple. If I'm a patsy, I get played every age. Accordingly, I'm generously fair with kingdoms that play fairly. However, I refuse to allow the people who play unfairly with me to set the terms by which unfair play will be taken. If your kingdom plays unfairly with me, I'll do whatever I want back, including but not limited to razing you every age. The whole idea that the person who does the unfair play gets to set the extent of unfair play is asinine. "We only hit you into postwar, why does that give you the right to raze our banks?" It's not a sliding scale, it's binary - if your kingdom demonstrates that they will not play fairly with mine, then I have no qualms about taking any and all actions at any time.

I'm truly amazed that people are so over the moon about this. All we've ever asked for was an acknowledgement of wrongdoing, an apology and an agreement to be played fairly with in the future. Apparently that's an excessive demand, so we'll stick to Plan B: Raze Wars!

And that's completely fine, I encourage you to try it out - I honestly do! Ive even said several times in our priv that I respect people like you who stand up for themselves.

But I think its unreasonable to retaliate in the manner of two eyes for one eye, and on top of that require an apology for losing the initial eye :)

All im saying is that your goal is now set on razing us every age until you get an apology, and if that apology does not happen then of course we have to take the correct actions to mitigate losses and maybe even come out on top. That is all.

[Fury]

First of all, I can't find any rules of the game, written or unwritten, that suggest that our kingdom hitting yours was against any rules or code. You weren't in hostile, weren't in a notice period, there were no CFs, there was no unwritten agreement, there was NOTHING between our kingdoms. Are you suggesting that's dirty play?

I asked for my apology last age, and committed to punishing you until I received it. That statement stands.

You hit us in hostile last age. But yet nowhere do I see you mentioning it? Your right to an apology went out the window at the same time as you decided to do it, in my opinion.

[Remote]

And that's completely fine, I encourage you to try it out - I honestly do! Ive even said several times in our priv that I respect people like you who stand up for themselves.

But I think its unreasonable to retaliate in the manner of two eyes for one eye, and on top of that require an apology for losing the initial eye :)

All im saying is that your goal is now set on razing us every age until you get an apology, and if that apology does not happen then of course we have to take the correct actions to mitigate losses and maybe even come out on top. That is all.

I see no reason to be reasonable to people who play unfairly. That's like a mugger complaining because you pull a gun on him when he pulls a knife on you. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, but I'd much rather blind you before you get the chance to blind me. Likewise, given my kingdom's obvious weakness (we suck and we know it), if we DON'T stand up for ourselves and make clear that playing dirty with us is an extremely unprofitable endeavor, more kingdoms will do it. Your kingdom just happens to be the first one to make this mistake. Others have made it, but they've been very good about apologizing and recognizing that they made a mistake.

Our goal is to have fun, it just so happens that razing you guys is fun. When you come to your senses and decide losing ages every age in fights with a bunch of dumb ****s is not useful, you'll apologize. If not, you'll spend the time finding, fighting and killing us every age. We don't really care either way.

[Remote]

You hit us in hostile last age. But yet nowhere do I see you mentioning it? Your right to an apology went out the window at the same time as you decided to do it, in my opinion.

I'm fairly certain in every post made about it, I've mentioned that we retaliated your hits into our hostile with hits into yours. Maybe that's where I mentioned it?

[Abscond]

You hit us into hostile, we retaliated in kind. You took our intel into postwar, I asked what was going on, you said you were just checking threats and would not hit us. Then you hit me into postwar for about 3,000 acres. Then you sent me messages saying you would do me a favor and CF me, or else you were going to keep beating me up. I told you I wasn't going to take acres, razed you a bunch and promised you I wouldn't be forgetting your dirty play.

I'm amazed that you can't figure out why we razed you this age, or why we're going to be razing you next age and every age until you apologize both for your dirty play and for pretending like this was anything other than your fault.

For those in doubt, we treat all kingdoms fairly and have agreed to a kingdom principle that as long as people don't treat us like assholes, we won't be assholes to them. Jerks dealbroke us last age and hit us into postwar - they apologized, so we let it go. Legacy dealbroke us this age and hit us into our raze-fest - they apologized, so we made a fair deal and let it go. Honestly, it isn't that hard. We don't ask that we don't be hit or that we don't fight, just that we be treated by fairly standard rules. Don't hit us into hostile, don't hit us into war, don't hit us into postwar, and if you make a deal with us, keep it. If you screw any of that up, apologize and talk to us and we'll figure it out. Of course, if you ignore that and treat us like assholes, we'll be even bigger bastards back. It's obviously in everyone's best interests to just play fairly with us, but for some reason people think they deserve special treatment, then get surprised when they get treated like **** by us. Payback is a *****, you get what's coming to you.

Elit getting schooled by Remote. Elit, you need it to upgrade degree.