CR vs AMA

[Korp]

Korp as i said previously I do give free CFs no strings attached....Where i play has next to no meaning regardless of my post, but i do play in the top10 if it matters to you.

Yes, but you are missing the point. You tried to use yourself as evidence to disapprove Elits claim while it doesnt work if you're not one of those "Big kds" hes refering too. Since you're not one of those kds if you give out CFs with no strings doesnt matter. Cause what was said and implied by Elit was that whoring kingdoms dont just go and throw away potential targets if they dont know the persons.

[Aranfein]

Okay again you miss the point - Im in Legacy and yes we are whoring, and yet ive given no strings attached CFs this age on more then 1 occasion. We dont whore every age thats correct and we prefer warring, as i said many would probs think of us as a ghetto and not belonging in the top.

But if you mean whoring like RBL, AMA, BB & CR, then no we do not do it every age.

[Elit]

Its decent post 13nesta13 but its very easy to be nice now and ask for ppl move on.
We had better chances for win vs pyro before razes started and im sure its was arranged from Havoc for hurt us down and we cant win. You think its fair for us to war pyro after all our prepare gone to hell and from clear favorite before war start we gone to clear disadvantage? Why i need to waste my time for another war in disadvantage result from Havoc actions. Dont forget farming simians and arrogance in forum+ lame deal proposes in irc for few days.

We talked with you about age in general. You admitted all your group made CF with Havoc for use them for slow us. How its fair play where all 4 kds are teamed up vs us from age begin and don't war all age. Its total BS and its total kill all balance this age. Sorry but bad play promoted from your alliance+Havoc resulted in what we have now. ABS had his lame moments but they had his pride too and we had most from ages fair compete with them in top. We got CFs and time for explore/pump/random how had all rest ABS kds. I got noting from it all age. All this GB with name fair play is total Hippocratic. KDS involved in GB power played us all age. Rusty joined GB so he can get CF and explore his prov and Simians did so many lame ****s this age and they now promote fair play too???

Sorry but i cant accept this GB and i cant move on till you all admit you was part from problem. I was perfect Fine with Havoc win age before they become lame. After it i was perfect fine with Pyro win age. All what wanted is promise for help in 2vs1 and war was possible with you. Havoc offer come so late, and all was decided for move and pay back them. Its why i told you go draft/train/fort in advance. I told you for protect pyro not for get GBed from you. When Pyro and Havoc was same size i offered CJ: ama to stay away from n1 and you both war. If you win you get legit age win, but CJ decide its better GB us.

[4gz]

Why can't people man up and be honest for a change? There's no such thing as a honourable/fair-play GB.

Everyone involved did so for their own personal agendas and nothing more.

CR got out-****played by AMA and cried wolf.
Pyro joined in for the acres and a possible crown. Virgins tend to be blinded at times.
Rage is in it for a possible province crown/supporting allies (just cause the ABS tag isn't flying doesn't mean they're not there).
Simians and the other ghettos joined in for the possibility of better CF deals next age, or maybe they had a grudge of their own vs AMA and this was the only way to get back at them. Weak.

In the end, everyone is dirty so stop trying to say otherwise. You are only fooling yourselves.

[Anri]

Its decent post 13nesta13 but its very easy to be nice now and ask for ppl move on.
We had better chances for win vs pyro before razes started and im sure its was arranged from Havoc for hurt us down and we cant win. You think its fair for us to war pyro after all our prepare gone to hell and from clear favorite before war start we gone to clear disadvantage? Why i need to waste my time for another war in disadvantage result from Havoc actions. Dont forget farming simians and arrogance in forum+ lame deal proposes in irc for few days.

We talked with you about age in general. You admitted all your group made CF with Havoc for use them for slow us. How its fair play where all 4 kds are teamed up vs us from age begin and don't war all age. Its total BS and its total kill all balance this age. Sorry but bad play promoted from your alliance+Havoc resulted in what we have now. ABS had his lame moments but they had his pride too and we had most from ages fair compete with them in top. We got CFs and time for explore/pump/random how had all rest ABS kds. I got noting from it all age. All this GB with name fair play is total Hippocratic. KDS involved in GB power played us all age. Rusty joined GB so he can get CF and explore his prov and Simians did so many lame ****s this age and they now promote fair play too???

Sorry but i cant accept this GB and i cant move on till you all admit you was part from problem. I was perfect Fine with Havoc win age before they become lame. After it i was perfect fine with Pyro win age. All what wanted is promise for help in 2vs1 and war was possible with you. Havoc offer come so late, and all was decided for move and pay back them. Its why i told you go draft/train/fort in advance. I told you for protect pyro not for get GBed from you. When Pyro and Havoc was same size i offered CJ: ama to stay away from n1 and you both war. If you win you get legit age win, but CJ decide its better GB us.

Could you care to explain what "lame ****" Simians has done this age or last age for that matter?
Because im interested in knowing this. I know the wave on Pyromaniacs was wrong, it was handled and dealt with, not in the way i would have liked because those acres should have been returned to Pyro and not AMA <---

Other then that, i would like to hear what you have to say.

We are trying to upheld standards the best we can and will continue to work hard to play fair and honesty. We have no intentions with this GB but to punish a dealbreaker and hell, i would not mind if everyone dropped out of t10. I am not a fan of the landgains Pyro took, like i explained, i am neutral. But what i do know is that you deserved to get banged up for the move you did. I have honest intentions and i see no problem with everyone tagging fair play or even drop out of t10 entirely. My first idea was to give crown to someone that really deserve it, for example Legacy, that i have not seen ****play, maybe Rusty, i dont know. But i am open to most solutions and i am open to make what is right for the best of this game. The game is starting to get so rotten and i am not sure how to cure the game, but we are trying, from the best of our ability right now. I am on a personal crusade to stop douche moves. I know i have made moves that was not respectful also, but ever since age 54 i had my intentions to stop this and been trying our hardest, but the top is a djungle. Its the monkeys natural habitat, but its still hard to navigate it. I dont have all the answers, but i know it has to start somewhere and GBing you to take a stance vs ****play was a start. I wish it had started LONG before this and that we would of helped Rage gangbang strippers and that we would have gangbanged pewpew and so forth, the more events we let slip away the worse it has gotten for the game. Im sure you can see this also, the problem to me is that you know all of this and you probably felt you could get away with it also. I dont think the alliance in the top this age been to fair playing either nor has CR etc. But it must start somewhere and people must expand thier minds a bit. I wanted everyone in t10 to tagg Fair Play, without any KD names attached and tagg it until age ends, this way it does not matter who wins and who gets the acres, we can just have some fun wars and who wins or not does not matter either. This was my main idea before the gb started. Somewhere along the ride other **** happend and maybe this entire fair play idea lost its track.

[Anri]

Simians and the other ghettos joined in for the possibility of better CF deals next age, or maybe they had a grudge of their own vs AMA and this was the only way to get back at them. Weak.

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No, i am more then happy to fight AMA any age, even if we would lose to them. I am not affraid of a lost fight or some lost acres knowing we faught good and hard. You, just like many others totaly missinterpute my KD and what we are all about. We want fair top wars and its the only thing we find fun in this game.

[4gz]

So are you saying this GB was fair? Yes deal-breaking is a method of ****playing, but I can say the same about a group of kingdoms working together to eliminate the competition. Once upon a time alliances were illegal (And no, don't mention invites as a counter-argument. Mehul not allowing players to play with their friends was just stupid). Also, only weak people gang-up cause that's their only way of competing.

And no, I don't follow the masses. I read both sides of the stories then make my own judgement/opinion.

Tell me this, what did Simians gain from this? Other than a chance at a better CF next age. In my eyes all you did was strengthen the ABS-block and burn any sort of bridge you had remaining with the indie-kingdoms (fairly indie, cause you do need a friendly kingdom or 2 to help off set numerous kingdoms working together).

[Elit]

My idea for all KDs involved in GB to gave up land chart and drop from top 10 is only fair solution because all are guilty but im sure rest kds wont accept it. Real reason for GB is simple win crown. Havoc used Pyro and rest and they used Havoc for his goal. Dirty lame play for win what dont really matter from long...

Go out with normal people and try to tell them you play game named utopia, explain how you get sms 2-5 am for attack and see how they will look on you after it:P Noting to be proud don't matter if you have crown or not :D

[Anri]

My idea for all KDs involved in GB to gave up land chart and drop from top 10 is only fair solution because all are guilty but im sure rest kds wont accept it. Real reason for GB is simple win crown. Havoc used Pyro and rest and they used Havoc for his goal. Dirty lame play for win what dont really matter from long...

Go out with normal people and try to tell them you play game named utopia, explain how you get sms 2-5 am for attack and see how they will look on you after it:P Noting to be proud don't matter if you have crown or not :D

lol

Well, i am all about making utopia better, less ****play etc so maybe a few new players can join and maybe some old players come back to something that looks more like a fun game then a pile of ****.
I would make my KD self-destruct out of t10, np.

But i think the better solution would be if all tagg just Fair Play and no one wins the age because age 60 would be just about fair play. Its also the easiest way. Then i really dont care who gets land from who and who wars who. It would all just be fun and a step in the right direction.

[Tapout]

A possibility in principle Anri, but the KD that does win will know who they are and may well always claim it. If you all dropped out then you can all equally agree to write the Crown off as not valid and mutually ignore the result for the KD outside of yourselves that gets it, with no possibility of anyone trying to claim they 'won' it.

In current circumstances better to have a situation where you can all agree that the KD that got it didn't deserve it, rather than a situation that could lead to fractures in a fledgling effort to start afresh.

[faegan]

How its fair play where all 4 kds are teamed up vs us from age begin and don't war all age. Its total BS and its total kill all balance this age.

Uhm....AMA/BB/EJ and who was the other one again?

[Soul_Hunter]

And who was the solo kd that warred all of them?

[Elit]

Uhm....AMA/BB/EJ and who was the other one again?

No other and good you asking so i can explain and show difference :P
Last age there was 2 grup from 3 kds. Havoc/ED/Rage?, AMA/BB/EJ, indi HoH,Fratzia, and several WW kds going big from begin. We had real competition and wars early/midle/late age. ABJ kds did his personal cf deals and didn't block any kd. So all had his chances for random/explore/pump and war 1vs1 with some one. This age We had Rage/Pyro/Pew going after land + Havoc. All Cfed till yr 10. Do you see difference? No any action almost all age and pick on rest kds. My kd was forced in b2b war all age. Till middle age Pyro refused to cf us with argument: its not smart let you explore/pump. WTF is this? You have only 1 competitor and you group don't let him get any chance for build cow or explore ever if its few weeks later from your cows. Its have noting with fair play and noting with being confident in your skills.
Last age Rage gained unfair 80k land from intentional farming. Drixx refuse all our proposed and insist his deal terms. Did he razed land or get GBed for not raze land? No we decide its better to take deal he propose from GB kd. What we have now. You GB so easy and so happy. You think its fair?

[Nick_mi]

I like the part where elit refutes logic because he says so and continues to believe what sounds good to him.

[Elit]

I like the part where elit refutes logic because he says so and continues to believe what sounds good to him.

Its not hard to admit you made big dis balance in top this age. Dont forget your past too :P So be honest at lest once.