CR vs AMA

[scitzo]

On CF expiry Havoc had every right to hit you (even if it is "scrubby"). It was your bad CFs and having 2 run out at the same time which caused this mess in the first place. By your own words, you can't run and dictate who you fight when within the "rules" and CF restraints it is doable and legit by Havoc.

Havoc wave AMA
AMA wave Pyro

Above is what would of happened at the tick change when all CF expired.

+1
That is quite well said

[KyGal]

Havoc wave AMA
AMA wave Pyro

Above is what would of happened at the tick change when all CF expired.

That's exactly what should have happened, rather than calling AMA out, laughing at them, insulting them, then threatening them. Let the cf's expire, CR wave AMA at the same moment that AMA waves Pyro....

From there, AMA would have to choose who they wanted to war. AND if they retalled Pyro, then CR stands down after doing their wave and they wait til AMA is oow to touch them.
It would have been a double hostile, in some people eye's, sure. But it would have been a better situation than what we have now.

It was done with Simians/Sanc/HoH a few ages ago. I made the same argument then... Everyone knew Simians were coming for HoH, we were trained up and ready. But because Simians noticed all 3 KD's, Sanc had the right to wave them. Once HoH retalled Simians, that sealed the opponents and any hits from Sanc after that would constitute a double hostile.

Once AMA and Pyro left war, CR would have no cf and would be free to wave immediately.

[Shai]

100...so....close

[American Badass]

That's exactly what should have happened, rather than calling AMA out, laughing at them, insulting them, then threatening them. Let the cf's expire, CR wave AMA at the same moment that AMA waves Pyro....

From there, AMA would have to choose who they wanted to war. AND if they retalled Pyro, then CR stands down after doing their wave and they wait til AMA is oow to touch them.
It would have been a double hostile, in some people eye's, sure. But it would have been a better situation than what we have now.

It was done with Simians/Sanc/HoH a few ages ago. I made the same argument then... Everyone knew Simians were coming for HoH, we were trained up and ready. But because Simians noticed all 3 KD's, Sanc had the right to wave them. Once HoH retalled Simians, that sealed the opponents and any hits from Sanc after that would constitute a double hostile.

Once AMA and Pyro left war, CR would have no cf and would be free to wave immediately.

I agree. But AMA deal breaking CR because of it was not legit or OK which is why I do not know why people started to ever defend that action. Was CR being big headed? Yes, Was CR taunting AMA? Yes. Was CR "bullying" AMA, yes. Was CR bullying AMA within what is seen as legit? yes. I don't see what CR did making a thread saying they intended to notice on the correct date was "deal breaking". I see it as an ADVANCED warning to AMA that they are coming. Had CR made a thread when notice could have been given AMA would then claim they did not have enough preparation time. AMA should have used this time to come up with a well devised strategy to beat CR like how they beat both Pew and Rage.

I am sure I can search the forum and find many threads where AMA is taunting the enemy they will be coming for them (Pew vs ED comes to mind when AMA were msging and taunting them that they were coming before pew jumped into another war). Yes it is not honorable and it is scrubby but atm it is not against any "rules" etc that making a thread saying your intent is a dealbreak.

Also Kygal I agree. If AMA waved Pyro and CR waved AMA and AMA went to war without retaling CR, then CR had no rights to carry on their waving into that war. CR would need to wait until after the war whereby they could continue hits in. If however AMA had waved CR just before going into war then of cause in my eyes CR has a right and fair argument to hit into that war which is what Pew did to AMA the age when they went to war with SWEA.

[ofgortens]

That's exactly what should have happened, rather than calling AMA out, laughing at them, insulting them, then threatening them. Let the cf's expire, CR wave AMA at the same moment that AMA waves Pyro....

From there, AMA would have to choose who they wanted to war. AND if they retalled Pyro, then CR stands down after doing their wave and they wait til AMA is oow to touch them.
It would have been a double hostile, in some people eye's, sure. But it would have been a better situation than what we have now.

It was done with Simians/Sanc/HoH a few ages ago. I made the same argument then... Everyone knew Simians were coming for HoH, we were trained up and ready. But because Simians noticed all 3 KD's, Sanc had the right to wave them. Once HoH retalled Simians, that sealed the opponents and any hits from Sanc after that would constitute a double hostile.

Once AMA and Pyro left war, CR would have no cf and would be free to wave immediately.

This game is full of false threats and other people talking up themselves. If you havn't seen this in the past, then I'm not sure what game you have been playing. Since when did AMA let mindless taunting get them so riled up as to call it a 'dealbreak' from talking rather than just let it be and prove their worth on the battlefield. Forum threads get created all the time of potential matchups that may or may not ever come to fruition.

In this case it was a bit different with the thread being started by someone in CR giving notice that they will be noticing a kd... but I don't see it any different as some forum troll starting the thread and random boasting and taunting occurring like we see all the time.

Those on AMA's side (very few in this case) are saying that CR 'dealbroke' by threatening in forums... you really have to be grasping at stings to be able to follow that logic. Most people see it as AMA fearing they couldnt best pyro with their random razes who they blame CR for but again is them grasping at strings. It would have been nice to see AMA vs pyro 1v1 (I am of the opinion pyro would have won after those cow razes) and then have the winner of the war go up against CR for the crown. In the end it looks like the 2 kds are going to go at it for the crown anyways while AMA's reputation (whatever that was) is tarnished badly with this dealbreak. Sad to see it go down this way.

[Spice]

Telling someone you are hiitting after notice expiration no matter what regardless who we are fighting is class A ****play. You can't force kds to fight you when there are other opponents and threaten 2v1 if they do not comply.

Also using ex-leaders in ghetto to raze said kd before cfs running out is ****play as well.

Ama did this several times in the past. GEt treated as you treat people sucks eh?

[Anri]

15-30 pages before anyone even can notice each other is not uncommon in the forums.
All of a sudden AMA does not feel this is okey. Thats the biggest joke to me.

Talk is talk, actions is made ingame, such as handing a notice over to the opponent and making hits.

AMA broke the rules, even taunts ingame is allowed and most certainly its allowed in the forums and irc.
If anyone would be offensive then they will be banned by mods etc.

Notice deals works decent, til someone breaks the rules. Maybe the game should have the notice system in its mechanics, would sort a lot of problems. Can even be designed so that no deals can be made to end on the same hour. Not sure how to design something like that. But it would be nice to stop all dealbreaks we seen last ages.

[KennyPowers]

Figured I'd bring this up.

3 ages ago ama notices debauchery. ama so big the kds aren't even in declare range of each other. debauchery and pew notice each other and war as soon as debauchery leaves eowcf. ama proceeds to tm debauchery first 12 hours of war for solid gains because according them they had "dibs". Karma

[Anri]

Figured I'd bring this up.

3 ages ago ama notices debauchery. ama so big the kds aren't even in declare range of each other. debauchery and pew notice each other and war as soon as debauchery leaves eowcf. ama proceeds to tm debauchery first 12 hours of war for solid gains because according them they had "dibs". Karma

People tend to forget how much of this **** AMA has done the last few ages, they always get away with it. Why, because they are a strong KD and they will raise hell on the forums and revenge everyone for an eternity and kill thier babys etc. lol

GB on AMA should be hard and without mercy until they know that they are not above the rules of utopia

[Elit]

Figured I'd bring this up.

3 ages ago ama notices debauchery. ama so big the kds aren't even in declare range of each other. debauchery and pew notice each other and war as soon as debauchery leaves eowcf. ama proceeds to tm debauchery first 12 hours of war for solid gains because according them they had "dibs". Karma

AMA send notice after CF expired and we did it ingame not in forum. Pew Pew and debauchery CF was not expired so you cant notice other kd and war.
Don't forget after debauchery was GBed all rest kds knocked for acres on your kd. Only AMA and BB didn't vulture.

[American Badass]

Only AMA and BB didn't vulture.

You claim this as if it is due to you being fair. Admit it, you loved the fact that your competitors were being occupied whilst you could continue to run toward the crown. I don't blame you as I think the state of the game atm anyone would do that.

[Anri]

AMA send notice after CF expired and we did it ingame not in forum. Pew Pew and debauchery CF was not expired so you cant notice other kd and war.
Don't forget after debauchery was GBed all rest kds knocked for acres on your kd. Only AMA and BB didn't vulture.

How nice of you to not vulture them after they was GBed.... Very classy

[Korp]

Figured I'd bring this up.

3 ages ago ama notices debauchery. ama so big the kds aren't even in declare range of each other. debauchery and pew notice each other and war as soon as debauchery leaves eowcf. ama proceeds to tm debauchery first 12 hours of war for solid gains because according them they had "dibs". Karma

Lets not forget that Debauchery did dealbreak as well and previously cheated so bringing that up is pretty voided since Debauchery themselves are inclined to dealbreak when its suits them.

[KennyPowers]

AMA send notice after CF expired and we did it ingame not in forum. Pew Pew and debauchery CF was not expired so you cant notice other kd and war.
Don't forget after debauchery was GBed all rest kds knocked for acres on your kd. Only AMA and BB didn't vulture.

ama did vulture. They hit into war for 12 hours so they could get acres with no threat of retal. The other hits into our wars that age were by abs due to our dealbreak, which we deserved and had 4 provinces raze killed. The other was swea for the same reason ama did, because we chose to war someone else and they knew they could get away with it. I see no reasons the leaders of two kds can't choose to end their cf whenever they wish if the feeling is mutual.

[Korp]

How nice of you to not vulture them after they was GBed.... Very classy

Also lets not forget how you threaten to wave into Debaucherys eowcf just so you could create a "hostile" But i guess threats are okey :)