CR vs AMA

[Anri]

I wanna see this hit 100 pages

edit: what did i win?

[jjofdenmark]

GB on AMA should be hard and without mercy until they know that they are not above the rules of utopia

The GB has been hard and without mercy. I'm quite sure most would agree, that the point has been proven and it's time to figure out how to get past this and start over with a clear set of rules and knowing if dealbreaks are to occur in the future, ohers will step up and right a wrong. And as such that should also apply if anyone dealbreaks AMA!

[KennyPowers]

Lets not forget that Debauchery did dealbreak as well and previously cheated so bringing that up is pretty voided since Debauchery themselves are inclined to dealbreak when its suits them.

So you're saying we deserve it regardless of the specifics of each situation, even after we've been punished for the dealbreak, which we've owned up to. ama and swea had no desire to punish us when it happened. They did not join when abs was razing us. ama and swea tm into our wars because they wanted to crown and knew we had no allies to make them pay. We dealbroke rage one time(Which we thought was justified at the time for them dodging us. Really they worked us in the deal and we should have just accepted it. We were wrong). We were punished accordingly but our dedicated haters love to hammer us over the head as if one dealbreak and one meaningless war win justifies people doing whatever they want to us.

[Anri]

The GB has been hard and without mercy. I'm quite sure most would agree, that the point has been proven and it's time to figure out how to get past this and start over with a clear set of rules and knowing if dealbreaks are to occur in the future, ohers will step up and right a wrong. And as such that should also apply if anyone dealbreaks AMA!

Its not as if we will respond lightly when they spit out threat after threat and does not quite understand what they even did was wrong. We have given them several ways out in diplomatics. We did even before GB started on them. They reject it all, we keep hitting.

[Soul_Hunter]

We said 200 times we know what we did is wrong. The problem is that aftr your initial gb that should have been enough we want to go after u and rage, and that's the reason you continue. Not some fairplay bs. You don't want that to happen, despite the fact there is no ****play in going after someone that gbed u and gave you button. Keep up the bs.

[Elit]

How nice of you to not vulture them after they was GBed.... Very classy

Yes its show if you have honor or not. Why i will vulture them after GB?
Did We vulture havoc past 2 ages after loss his war vs BB?
Did we Vulture Sanc age after Djordy left?
Did WE vulture this age Fratzia after all intra kd problems?
Did WE go round 2 with HoH last age and secure age win with it?
I can give you many examples for AMA play honorable. Sure we did 1-2 bad moves past few ages but overall we are playing very reasonable.


For example did Simians have honor? Lets look similar situations.
3 ages ago BB win over Havoc. They gave up age, You vulture them for free 20-30k acres.
This age, pew pew loss his war from AMA. You jumped them being alot bigger and vulture.
Im sure there is many more examples for Simians Honor Play.

[American Badass]

We said 200 times we know what we did is wrong. The problem is that aftr your initial gb that should have been enough we want to go after u and rage, and that's the reason you continue. Not some fairplay bs. You don't want that to happen, despite the fact there is no ****play in going after someone that gbed u and gave you button. Keep up the bs.

AMA had to leave the conflict with less acres on their banks than what they gained by deal breaking Havoc which they did not agree too. We also needed everyone involved in the GB to receive CF to clear relations and THEN AMA could go after who they wanted. We were not going to move on with AMA have max meters to Rage, Simians and Rusty.

[Korp]

So you're saying we deserve it regardless of the specifics of each situation, even after we've been punished for the dealbreak, which we've owned up to. ama and swea had no desire to punish us when it happened. They did not join when abs was razing us. ama and swea tm into our wars because they wanted to crown and knew we had no allies to make them pay. We dealbroke rage one time(Which we thought was justified at the time for them dodging us. Really they worked us in the deal and we should have just accepted it. We were wrong). We were punished accordingly but our dedicated haters love to hammer us over the head as if one dealbreak and one meaningless war win justifies people doing whatever they want to us.

No, I am saying you shouldnt cry about somebody else playing dirty while yourself have no issues of playing dirty when it suits your. You see you are ****ting on Elit for him hitting into wars while your kingdom hade no issues at all breaking a deal? This is what we call Pot calling the kettle black.

[Elit]

AMA had to leave the conflict with less acres on their banks than what they gained by deal breaking Havoc which they did not agree too. We also needed everyone involved in the GB to receive CF to clear relations and THEN AMA could go after who they wanted. We were not going to move on with AMA have max meters to Rage, Simians and Rusty.

AMA got 5 PKed. Sure we wont drop any acres from any prov.

[Soul_Hunter]

What you need has nothing to do with fair play. THat's it. If u wanted AMA do drop the gained acres on the cows you shouldn't hav pked. But you are phony. Dealbreaking is bad and caused us the gb, GB was also bad and cause the options of us to declare. When you do something you accept what is coming. WHen you started you said goal is to take AMA out of crown race, now you say it was to drop cows, thn to get cfs for all, you make up goals and rules everyday, cause you know... you have no honor and no fair play :). Keep the bs!

[jjofdenmark]

Its not as if we will respond lightly when they spit out threat after threat and does not quite understand what they even did was wrong. We have given them several ways out in diplomatics. We did even before GB started on them. They reject it all, we keep hitting.

All I'm saying is, that this ain't WW2 aftermath. We don't need to kill off thse who dealbroke but point out a deal was broken and act on it in a fair manner. The last 100 pages has more than proven, that no KD in the top has a clean sheet regarding ****play and dealbreaks. We acted as a whole on this ****play cause it was major and will do so in the future as well I hope. That does however not mean that we should act on all the other dealbreaks and ****plays AMA har dine until now, cause then they are fully intitled to call on fairplay and smack the rest of us with the excat same fairplay card!

As such I'm quite sure the AMA gang will agree, that this has gone far enough and are realy to some do fair diplo. Deal with this one dealbreak and act swift and fair about it ... and move on. Get back with the game with the knowledge that all know ther eis a new set of rules that applies to ALL.

[Anri]

Yes its show if you have honor or not. Why i will vulture them after GB?
Did We vulture havoc past 2 ages after loss his war vs BB?
Did we Vulture Sanc age after Djordy left?
Did WE vulture this age Fratzia after all intra kd problems?
Did WE go round 2 with HoH last age and secure age win with it?
I can give you many examples for AMA play honorable. Sure we did 1-2 bad moves past few ages but overall we are playing very reasonable.


For example did Simians have honor? Lets look similar situations.
3 ages ago BB win over Havoc. They gave up age, You vulture them for free 20-30k acres.
This age, pew pew loss his war from AMA. You jumped them being alot bigger and vulture.
Im sure there is many more examples for Simians Honor Play.

If you want to spew out lies thats not a problem because we are getting used to it.

We took 15.000a from Havoc, why? Because they was our enemy and we had warred. It was not excessive nor unreasonable to take 15k acres out of them.

Regarding pewpew, they had at 2 different ages hunted us, non stop and had unlimited free waves demand on us, therefor we treated them the same way until both parties agreed we should play fair and not play like that. What comes around goes around.

We played fair and legit for last few ages and not you or anyone else can take that away from us.

Who needs to change is you, not us

[KennyPowers]

No, I am saying you shouldnt cry about somebody else playing dirty while yourself have no issues of playing dirty when it suits your. You see you are ****ting on Elit for him hitting into wars while your kingdom hade no issues at all breaking a deal? This is what we call Pot calling the kettle black.

I'm not crying about anything. We are trying to do better and I believe if you speak to most who have dealt with us since our transgressions we have been fair. The main reason I brought it up is because ama believes they should have been allowed to war pyro. We believed we should have been allowed to war pew. I see many similarities. We were wrong for dealbreaking and the fw. We have done wrong. We're sorry. In my opinion this is all moot anyway because I do agree that most of this "fair play" stuff is only done by kds when it suits them. It's all about who you can get on your side and getting away with whatever you can. A big part of this is how much people like or dislike you. For various reasons many dislike elit and proteus, and that grew to be a problem for ama. I don't particularly like them for my own reasons but I'm not gonna keep razing them. We participated in razing ama 3 ages ago for the "dibs" situation, punishment served and we have moved on. Utopia has become a game of intrigue and and manipulation(at the top), not a game of war. Which really sucks in my opinion.

[Anri]

What you need has nothing to do with fair play. THat's it. If u wanted AMA do drop the gained acres on the cows you shouldn't hav pked. But you are phony. Dealbreaking is bad and caused us the gb, GB was also bad and cause the options of us to declare. When you do something you accept what is coming. WHen you started you said goal is to take AMA out of crown race, now you say it was to drop cows, thn to get cfs for all, you make up goals and rules everyday, cause you know... you have no honor and no fair play :). Keep the bs!

You are still in the race with cows, throwing threats around, there is no credibility that you will not use your cows for example when CR/Pyro wants to have thier fight or use them against everyone that took part in make justice towards you. The banks need to be down. You guys brought this into your own KD, there is no way in hell we will bend over because you whine about GB. You either A) make terms or B) the GB continues

[Anri]

AMA lost all thier rights to have demands on how their KD should look like and what CFs and targets they should have the moment they choose to piss on the server and think they can dealbreak and get away with it to steal the crown. Its very simple to me.