CR vs AMA

[Anri]

So you saying Havoc can keep the acres while Pyro should raze since they backstabbed your fake fair play alliance?

Everyone was right! You are funny guy!

CR had advantage all age in every way, so yes. And pyro should not raze acres because they walked out of the GB they should raze acres because they took acres in a gb and that should never be done.

[PhoenixScorpion]

Fancy words for the KD that took 15k acres and then leave thier allies to get declared by AMA before a deal is made. Its like leaving a man behind in war to bleed out while you proceed to pump the acres you gained in GB to proceed and try to crown. No one else here took acres and left thier friends to die in war vs AMA. You can clearly see that RBL did not have range to fight AMA and needs help til a deal is reached. You pulling out was the most stupid move that could been made if you ask me and you should remove all those acres that you gained, no kd should ever gain in a GB. Talk about greedy self interest to crown. Its also worse when Rusty, Simians and RBL moved in to make the crown race fair for Pyro and CR. You decide to just **** on the KDs that saved your asses, i guess its all fine when you accomplished what you came for. Leave your allies to die and go pump.

But thats just my personal pov

This is what happens when you claim to represent something that you do not, and claim to understand something when you can not. I was the initiator of the FairPlay idea the founders the other core council being; Webmaster, Tox, cJ, Binar, Nesta. I came up with the idea after what happened to Rage last Age. When the alliance then decided to go rouge and ban, flame, etc me they should've been asking themselves why I would go to such extreme lengths to hold my position. The situation I warned of is now playing out in front of our eyes. Perhaps in the future people will not be so hasty in their decisions, attempts to grab power, and administer and lead things they do not understand.

Funny I had a solution to the entire situation like 4 mins after I knew GB started and would've saved you all face and accomplished what you wanted and you was to blind to see it. GG. Enjoy the fruits of your labors, you wanted to prove a point so now prove it and see who supports you. I mean when you're right you're right and it should be easy to get people to defend you. When you do things like GB, you better make sure you know what your doing. When you attempt to grab power, you might want to be careful who you alienate and have working against you.

[Elit]

Ok, proceed and remove the acres and i might acctually beleive you

Dont know why you guys argue. After our war with Rage most like we will declare Pyro for keep it fair. There wont be other kd war all top kds this age so don't QQ about it :P

[Proteus]

You can clearly see that RBL did not have range to fight AMA and needs help til a deal is reached.

So AMA takes hits from a total of 12 kingdoms during war, loses 60k+ acres, has 5 provs PKed and RBL still needs HELP? Jeez how bad are these guys, no wonder they needed to ally 2/3 of the top this age.

No, it would not be GB to have someone wave AMA after 6-7 free waves into us where we dont hit back at all and have sent CF. Talk about being jerks or what. You acctually beleive your own BS that you were entitled to have unlimited free acres from Simians.

But it was actioned and dealt with both AMA and Pyro in the end of the day and it has absolutely nothing to do with you dealbreaking CR and getting actioned. Anything else you want to add?
Maybe something that happend age 33 or age 42 or age 51 to 59?

You are like huge babies that cries when you dont get away with stealing the crown.

AMA got 6-7 waves on you because you refused to make diplo and instead stop hitting us and tried to organize GB instead. If you were a reasonable person you would just make diplo and get cf much sooner but instead you wanted us to be gb when we do nothing wrong. In fact you were the one who did something wrong when you 2v1ed pyro.

And no we did not 'police' you for a 2v1 on pyro, we hit you because you were NOT hostile and an open target because you can't claim hostile protection when you 2v1 someone. There was no coordination between AMA or RPP to 'action' simians and as matter of fact RBL/fake rage wanted to 2v1 us into that conflict and we're mad that we hit you. Get your facts straight.

Simians has been extremely dirty this age and has been wanting to gb AMA since the moment age started as demonstrated by your leaked pastebin logs with RPP, you are just jumping into this fight now because you see it as your only chance to try and hurt us because you can't do so 1v1.

FYI we weren't doing this to steal the crown, you cant 'steal' crown with 4 week to go until EOA so yo ucan get GB for those 4 weeks, we did this to punish havoc and show lame play was not tolerated. No one expected to winfrom it or to not be gbed. The only thing we did not expect was for your ghetto group to be so unreasonable and demand that we essentially raze down our entire kd, this is exactly what I told you in pm it is one thing to 'punish' someone and to stop a play ylu don't believe in but there is such a thing as going too far which is what you are doing now and why Pyro stepped out of the gb...

[munk]

Ama was around 160k before dealbreak. So they have lost around 30k? Where does 60k come from?

CR are same size as before dealbreak - we haven't gained anything and lost important cow acres to core.

Pyro gained 15k from gangbang - mostly important cow acres.

Please use correct numbers.

[Anri]

I cant beleive all the extensive whining from AMA over getting gbed, the moment you broke deal to wave Havoc you lost every right to complain, every right to have banks, every right to be in any position at all.

Funny that you say you will declare Pyro next. Its part of the deal i bet. GG

[Soul_Hunter]

160k before db, 192k after db, 132k after gb :)

Also Pyro had time to explore so they grew around 20-30k acres.

[faegan]

Ama was around 160k before dealbreak. So they have lost around 30k? Where does 60k come from?

CR are same size as before dealbreak.

Pyro gained 15k from gangbang.

Please use correct numbers.

You tell 'em munk!

[Puff]

Seems to be a pretty lame move from pyros. Putting aside who is actually in the right or wrong, it's either you feel that the gb is justified or not. If you feel that you are indeed promoting fair play then you are justified to keep the acres (at least to yourself), if not you admitted that the gb is a mistake (how do you justify keep all those acres?). Pulling out and leaving other kds to fend for themselves simply leaves a bad taste.

This is even if you feel that the actions so far (pk of 5 provs) are justifiable but the fair play alliance is going too far (asking for additional razes) and want out. Working under this assumption, the least that can be done is to make sure that the button gets reset between all kds. Ama should have a choice to go after rbl but the only reason ama got a button on them is because of the 5pks (which you feel is justified) so at the very least the button should be reset. Simply making a side deal for yourself just doesn't seems right. You can't simply have it all ways.

[NoseBlood]

Pyro obviosly felt like 4 cow hits was a fair trade :)

Next age should be a fun one atleast!

[Palem]

RBL got declared and AMA knew gb was ongoing so they cant be expected to raze in war and they gotta fight ofc

I wasn't suggesting they raze during their war. But how is it fair that one kd is allowed to benefit from a GB and another is not?

This is why people have a problem with your Fair Play alliance. Your "fair play" is bogus.

[Soul_Hunter]

At the end all will gain but Anri and AMA :).

[Proteus]

Seems to be a pretty lame move from pyros. Putting aside who is actually in the right or wrong, it's either you feel that the gb is justified or not. If you feel that you are indeed promoting fair play then you are justified to keep the acres (at least to yourself), if not you admitted that the gb is a mistake (how do you justify keep all those acres?). Pulling out and leaving other kds to fend for themselves simply leaves a bad taste.

This is even if you feel that the actions so far (pk of 5 provs) are justifiable but the fair play alliance is going too far (asking for additional razes) and want out. Working under this assumption, the least that can be done is to make sure that the button gets reset between all kds. Ama should have a choice to go after rbl but the only reason ama got a button on them is because of the 5pks (which you feel is justified) so at the very least the button should be reset. Simply making a side deal for yourself just doesn't seems right. You can't simply have it all ways.

Ever heard of getting involved in something to make a point, defend what you think is right and then when you see that all other parties in GB are not concern with fair play/make things right but completely detroy AMA and impose their will on them + seek to humiliate they realize it does not align their goal and drop out.

It all goes back to how much push back is too much? You might want to think about Germany's reparations after WWI compared to Japan being allowed to maintain emperor after WWII. One was excessive where other was not.

[flutterby]

I wasn't suggesting they raze during their war. But how is it fair that one kd is allowed to benefit from a GB and another is not?

This is why people have a problem with your Fair Play alliance. Your "fair play" is bogus.

It all depends on how you define Fair Play. But like I've told other people often lately, this is what Uto used to be about. Not all of the patty cake, peekaboo agreements and deals.

[DonJuan]

Seems to be a pretty lame move from pyros. Putting aside who is actually in the right or wrong, it's either you feel that the gb is justified or not. If you feel that you are indeed promoting fair play then you are justified to keep the acres (at least to yourself), if not you admitted that the gb is a mistake (how do you justify keep all those acres?). Pulling out and leaving other kds to fend for themselves simply leaves a bad taste.

This is even if you feel that the actions so far (pk of 5 provs) are justifiable but the fair play alliance is going too far (asking for additional razes) and want out. Working under this assumption, the least that can be done is to make sure that the button gets reset between all kds. Ama should have a choice to go after rbl but the only reason ama got a button on them is because of the 5pks (which you feel is justified) so at the very least the button should be reset. Simply making a side deal for yourself just doesn't seems right. You can't simply have it all ways.

It was more of an evolving situation than a clear-cut, act/react conclusion...the goals of the GB became more abusive as the diplomacy became complicated.

I can make a vague comparison to a real life scenario like US Iraq War...in which the US justified action under a "War on Terror" starting with 9/11. Unfortunately Time did tell that it was a mistake and if we allow programs like this to go beyond the scope of its original purpose...then Pyro will be just another top kd seeing someone else just to get scarce acres.