CR vs AMA

[American Badass]

So basically in short Elit wants the WW from Rage so he can Land Drop and go for the WW/Honor crown and give nothing to Rage. What Elit does not get is this war is a result to a GB that was caused by HIS kd dealbreaking. He does raise one very good point though that Rage's age is "over" so this is why his demand is laughable. We will NOT be giving him the WW now so he can take honor... do not threat WW/Honor kds. This is cerb doing dip and then passing it on to munk.

Please tell us where and how the FP alliance is being unreasonable. Bare in mind for these 3 hours we halted PKs.

[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:25] <Elit> we want WW
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:25] <Elit> we will take honor bonus if we agree to make deal
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> If we give you the WW, we want acres back on at least out former 17k cow.
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Elit> and we gave up n1 land/nw chart
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> ya, the giving up land/nw chart
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Elit> we wont interfere in havoc age
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> and cf's for everyone are all implicit
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> you won't interfere in the age of anyone involved
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Elit> we will eoa all kds involved
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> not just havoc
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> if some freak occurrence happens
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Elit> yes
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Cerberus_v666> and rusy ends up #1
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Cerberus_v666> you won't interfere
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Cerberus_v666> :P
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Elit> sure
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Elit> :P
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Cerberus_v666> and our bank acres?
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Elit> they are fair gained
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Elit> tbh
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Elit> best deal we can make work for all atm
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Elit> is you gave us n1 land prov and nw we nap eoa all rest and do noting rest from age
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Elit> all happy
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Cerberus_v666> that's not gonna happen
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Elit> why
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Elit> its make sense for my kd
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Cerberus_v666> yes
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:29] <Cerberus_v666> but the only reason havoc is okay with you keeping your cow acres
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:29] <Cerberus_v666> is with the rule that you can't be allowe to crown with them
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:29] <Cerberus_v666> so that suggestion won't be workable
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:41] <Elit> hi
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:42] <Cerberus_v666> we have everybody involved in this online right now
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:42] <Cerberus_v666> unlike yesterday when drixx wasnt around etc
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:42] <Elit> k
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:42] <Cerberus_v666> they asked me to extend our previous offer again
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:42] <Cerberus_v666> war till min time then MP. Rage gets back any cow acres they lost. EOACFwithallkd'sinvolved.Can't be within 20% of any nw/land/prov crown. All other top 10 kd's agree that iftheydealbreak they getgb'dagain. If it is eoa for crown shaping the #2 will be razed equal amount.
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:43] <Elit> are you serious coming there to offer me it again after last pk?
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:43] <Elit> if you look for deal its will be on my temrs i proposes+some kind sompensation for new pk
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <&Devolution> lol
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:44] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:43] <Elit> or there wont be any cf till eoa any kd hit us
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:59] <Cerberus_v666> Okay, Drixx is not willing to reward you for dealbreaking by giving you a war win.
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:59] <Cerberus_v666> So any deal we make can only work on an MP at best.
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:00] <Cerberus_v666> You said you want a WW, if you won't take anything less then I guess we should both get back to what we were doing before
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:02] <Elit> im not sure do you understand it
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:02] <Elit> but its kinda last channce for make any deal
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:02] <Elit> after war with rage end and our cf with havoc end
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:02] <Elit> there is no back
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:02] <Elit> we wont make any kind deal



[20:14] <munk> hi
[20:16] <Elit> hi
[20:16] <munk> i'm here to try and see if we can find a way to end this
[20:17] <munk> to take over from cerb
[20:17] <Elit> ok
[20:17] <Elit> but do you trust me :P
[20:18] <munk> I think if we find a deal that's not rubbish, and you accept it -- and we agree to consequences
[20:18] <munk> then yeah, i think we can find a deal we both can trust.
[20:18] <Elit> correct
[20:19] <munk> it's really hard to get so many different people with different motivations to agree to something
[20:19] <munk> Personally -- I think it was lame to dealbreak and my stance would be a punishment would be to 'force' acres back to prior to at dealbreak and some % penalty to dealbreaking kingdoms.
[20:20] <Elit> yes, im not sure what we want atm too
[20:20] <Elit> what i know for sure is
[20:20] <Elit> if we make deal
[20:20] <munk> I think we've taken more than enough -- but it's been hard to end this because there has been so many feelings both sides.
[20:20] <Elit> we will stay out from run n1 land/nw
[20:20] <Elit> kd
[20:20] <Elit> we will eoa nap big kds
[20:20] <Elit> so no one can feed on us or we feed on them
[20:20] <Elit> keep blance
[20:20] <munk> yeah, that's what i've understood and that sounds good.
[20:20] <munk> it seems to me
[20:21] <Elit> and you can be sure we wont **** havoc
[20:21] <munk> the issue atm is current war end MP or WW
[20:21] <Elit> what i cant make compromise for being is WW
[20:21] <Elit> if we make deal for WW we will pick honor bonus
[20:21] <munk> i understand u need the WW for sci on small ones?
[20:21] <Elit> but we get books sci
[20:21] <Elit> four our killed
[20:21] <munk> yes
[20:21] <Elit> yes
[20:21] <munk> would make sense
[20:21] <munk> the issues I see
[20:22] <Elit> how i told cerberus
[20:22] <munk> is that some could fear if bishop thinks it is FW
[20:22] <Elit> aftyer all end i need to talk my kd what we want
[20:22] <munk> + some in alliance think it's unfair to give dealbreaker WW
[20:22] <munk> ok
[20:22] <Elit> 1. do noting rest from age
[20:22] <Elit> 2 try war
[20:22] <Elit> i prefer 1 :)
[20:23] <munk> mh
[20:23] <Elit> you need to understand we are there because your kd try to arogant bully us
[20:23] <Elit> so we share same guilty
[20:23] <Elit> moment we deal broke we gave up n1
[20:23] <munk> i think we'll disagree on how exactly to define that
[20:23] <Elit> we did it for gave you lesson
[20:23] <Elit> so its not reward WW
[20:23] <munk> i can agree we pushed u, but i wont agree that it's ok to dealbreak in that situation.
[20:23] <Elit> you get your acres back
[20:23] <Elit> we get pked
[20:23] <Elit> and loss land
[20:24] <Elit> do you think if we dont get any in return its make sens for us to do deal?
[20:24] <Elit> and im not ok with deal break too
[20:24] <Elit> its result from n00bs take over both kds
[20:24] <Elit> munk and proteus :P
[20:25] <munk> mh
[20:25] <munk> well
[20:25] <munk> it's hard to make EVERYTHING right
[20:25] <Elit> yes
[20:25] <Elit> and i was really bussy for bother with uto
[20:25] <munk> I'm having issues with ppl not accepting to give AMA a ww
[20:26] <munk> from my end
[20:26] <munk> it'd be easier to have a MP solution
[20:26] <Elit> so left ppl to decide and they made not go choice
[20:26] <munk> it 'sounds' more fai
[20:26] <munk> to ppl.
[20:26] <Elit> munk
[20:26] <munk> i understand the science problem
[20:26] <munk> i
[20:26] <Elit> if we dont get WW there wont be deal
[20:26] <munk> i am just telling u what's difficult for me to make ppl accept.
[20:26] <munk> and i'm saying -- maybe there is an alternative for ww which u could prefer / live with?
[20:27] <munk> eg -- keep our cow acres, don't give rusty back acres -- get some free learns? something?
[20:27] <munk> is there something we can do?
[20:27] <munk> cos for some of our members of alliance -- giving WW to dealbreaking kd, is something hard for them to accept.
[20:28] <Elit> [21:00] <Cerberus_v666> You said you want a WW, if you won't take anything less then I guess we should both get back to what we were doing before
[20:28] <Elit> [21:02] <Elit> im not sure do you understand it
[20:28] <Elit> [21:02] <Elit> but its kinda last channce for make any deal
[20:28] <Elit> [21:02] <Elit> after war with rage end and our cf with havoc end
[20:28] <Elit> [21:02] <Elit> there is no back
[20:28] <Elit> [21:02] <Elit> we wont make any kind deal
[20:28] <Elit> [21:03] <Elit> if its not include havoc gave up attemp for n1
[20:28] <Elit> [21:03] <Cerberus_v666> sound like you're the one on a clock, not us.
[20:28] <Elit> [21:03] <Elit> wrong again :)
[20:28] <munk> well
[20:28] <munk> elit
[20:28] <munk> if u remember i liked ama
[20:29] <munk> i think this is bull**** that we're still doing this
[20:29] <munk> and I want to also do other stuff
[20:29] <munk> u know i want to end this if possible.
[20:29] <Elit> yes its BS
[20:29] <Elit> i want to end it
[20:29] <munk> i'm not using it as a 'trick'
[20:29] <munk> to say it's hard to give ww
[20:29] <Elit> but i need to care for my kd morale too
[20:29] <munk> i'm just trying to find a way around it?
[20:29] <Elit> and ppl feelings
[20:29] <munk> yeah i know
[20:29] <Elit> after all this GB and pk
[20:29] <Elit> i have very limited options
[20:29] <Elit> to make kd feel good
[20:29] <munk> yeah
[20:29] <Elit> ppl are ready to fight till all die or **** havoc
[20:30] <munk> but i do not think i will be able to find a way to give u ww
[20:30] <munk> and i want to try and see if there is another wya
[20:30] <Elit> im sure if drixx want to end it he will give us WW
[20:30] <munk> i mean, if u accept mp u can maybe get something else?
[20:30] <Elit> what to get ?
[20:30] <Elit> i need noting
[20:31] <Elit> i made huge compromise last age
[20:31] <Elit> with drixx
[20:31] <Elit> and he didunt bother much for prevent GB
[20:31] <Elit> after i was back
[20:32] <Elit> you simle procesed it
[20:32] <munk> i what?
[20:33] <Elit> im say no one try to do diplo with me in real
[20:33] <Elit> for prevent GB
[20:33] <Elit> all was happy for make GB
[20:33] <Elit> and its include drixx
[20:33] <Elit> last age i spend 3 days atalk all
[20:33] <Elit> if you remember i askedyou for your opinion
[20:33] <Elit> and i talked every kd
[20:33] <Elit> was so easy to simple GB them
[20:34] <Elit> how your di this age
[20:34] <Elit> im say if he want to end it he need to make COMPROMISE
[20:34] <Elit> how we did last age
[20:34] <munk> mh
[20:34] <munk> it's hard for everyone to do the right thing
[20:34] <munk> ppl have feelings too
[20:34] <munk> seems proteus has pissed drixx off alot
[20:35] <munk> so it takes alot for him to consider giving proteus another ww
[20:35] <Elit> i told drixx many times: dont talk him
[20:35] <Elit> its dont give him WW
[20:35] <munk> i know
[20:35] <munk> it's like i tell u
[20:35] <munk> 'dont mind godly'
[20:35] <munk> do u?
[20:35] <munk> :P
[20:35] <Elit> he is one from main reason
[20:35] <Elit> for all ****s
[20:35] <Elit> and use words""better kd"
[20:36] <Elit> how havoc is better because pumped for 8 weeks and get more land
[20:36] <Elit> im sure if you was on ama side now havoc wont be top 3
[20:36] <munk> i've always told u that godly likes to taunt on forums :P
[20:36] <Elit> with all b2b wars and power play
[20:36] <munk> and as i said
[20:36] <Elit> he can make fun on rest
[20:36] <munk> before
[20:36] <munk> i was ama
[20:36] <Elit> not on me
[20:36] <munk> the game would be boring :P
[20:36] <munk> too easy
[20:37] <munk> ;)
[20:37] <Elit> im joke alot in forum
[20:37] <Elit> but i dont trash talk other kds
[20:37] <Elit> if we dont count simians :)
[20:38] <Elit> and every one make fun on simians
[20:38] <munk> mmh
[20:40] <Elit> i think we are very close to make deal
[20:40] <Elit> if we get WW
[20:40] <munk> well
[20:40] <munk> yes/no
[20:40] <Elit> maybe you need to look it from other side
[20:40] <Elit> if we dnt make deal
[20:40] <Elit> what is next?
[20:41] <munk> i dont think that's a good reason to 'push' a deal
[20:41] <Elit> im sure we can declare rage again if we get button
[20:41] <munk> we need to make a deal because everyone know this is BS and shouldnt be what utopia is against.
[20:41] <Elit> and we can raze havoc cows
[20:41] <Elit> so no one will like result
[20:41] <Elit> yes its BS
[20:41] <Elit> agree
[20:42] <munk> atm if drixx is to consider WW
[20:42] <munk> he's going to want cow acres back + free hit
[20:42] <munk> minimum
[20:42] <munk> and that's already VERY hard for drixx
[20:45] <Elit> maybe we can talk after war end for deal?
[20:46] <munk> after war end?
[20:46] <Elit> im sure drixx need to choice WD or WW and get more cow acres loss.
[20:46] <Elit> yes
[20:46] <Elit> if its hard for him
[20:46] <Elit> we can let him end war natural
[20:46] <munk> the thing is
[20:46] <munk> if we don't make a deal soon
[20:46] <munk> we have to help the kds that helped us
[20:46] <Elit> you will gb pyro :P
[20:46] <munk> and things won't get easier.
[20:47] <munk> i prefer that not to happen
[20:47] <munk> cos this is silly enough
[20:47] <munk> the issue is
[20:47] <munk> it's hard for you to accept a deal
[20:47] <Elit> yes i know when our post war cf expire
[20:47] <munk> and it's hard for our sides to accept.
[20:47] <munk> I mean
[20:47] <munk> even if CR thinks ama has been punished enough
[20:47] <munk> we can't just leave rage / simians / rusty alone
[20:47] <munk> if there isn't a deal
[20:47] <munk> i know u understand that
[20:48] <Elit> yes i know
[20:48] <munk> so if you need WW to 'sell' a deal to your kingdom
[20:48] <Elit> but i know havoc cant make any next ~~24h
[20:48] <munk> drixx will require cow acres back + free hits
[20:49] <munk> but are you saying you can't find a deal where u give cow acres back + free hits? for WW?
[20:51] <Elit> im look over it
[20:52] <munk> it would ofc also require CF deals etc etc for kingdoms around
[20:52] <munk> and we would need to talk to BB to also agree to give rage a new cf -- since rage have been spending time with this instead of prepping.
[20:53] <munk> but is that something you could work with?
[20:54] <Elit> [21:52] <~Elit> [21:49] <munk> but are you saying you can't find a deal where u give cow acres back + free hits? for WW?
[20:54] <Elit> [21:52] <~Elit> one onw want to acept it?
[20:54] <Elit> [21:52] <~Elit> :)
[20:54] <Elit> [21:52] <@Furypro> how about no
[20:54] <Elit> [21:52] <~Elit> ok
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> Elit they cant demand
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> cow acres
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> because we can take their cow acres
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> and they cant take ours
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> in this war
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> so they should make an acceptable offer
[20:54] <Elit> [21:54] <@viNdict> not something before gb, or before dealbreak or whatever
[20:54] <munk> mmh
[20:55] <Elit> its make sense
[20:55] <munk> i mean, everything 'makes' sense
[20:55] <munk> everyone has their own feelings
[20:55] <munk> own agendas etc
[20:55] <munk> ppl will have to make sacrifises
[20:55] <munk> so the alternative
[20:55] <munk> is to not get WW?
[20:56] <munk> i mean, i see rage here as sacrifing something to make a deal
[20:56] <munk> they give WW for acres back, or they don't give ww
[20:56] <munk> ama has to 'give' something too?
[20:59] <Elit> problem is
[20:59] <Elit> i think we will get WW
[20:59] <Elit> if we keep it
[20:59] <Elit> or we will farm cows more
[20:59] <Elit> its someting rage cant prevent
[20:59] <munk> yes/no -- but then you'll also 'force' CR to step in
[21:00] <Elit> sure
[21:00] <munk> and in the end we agreed that's something we both not prefer.
[21:00] <Elit> after our cf expire
[21:00] <Elit> we both agree cr want to win age
[21:00] <Elit> and spend more time on us dont help for it
[21:00] <munk> that too
[21:00] <munk> but we in CR
[21:00] <munk> don't control "what is acceptable for rage"
[21:01] <munk> if rage can argue that they cannot accept to give WW without getting cow acres back -- then we have little choice but to continue action against ama.
[21:02] <Elit> about cf with bb you need to talk direct with bb
[21:02] <munk> yeah
[21:02] <munk> ofc
[21:02] <Elit> i never talk for them
[21:02] <munk> ofc
[21:02] <Elit> i mean i cant make deal for bb
[21:02] <munk> i know!
[21:02] <munk> but
[21:02] <munk> the way i see it
[21:03] <munk> you have to accept giving acres to rage cows to get WW. Otherwise I can't find a deal that makes everyone happen.
[21:03] <munk> You're saying no to that?
[21:06] <Elit> its vey hard for me too
[21:09] <munk> elit i need a yes/no
[21:09] <munk> hard to move forward when something so central to a possible deal isn't clear.
[21:09] <Elit> we wont give rage free hits/acres
[21:09] <Elit> its no
[21:10] <munk> you understand that we as an alliance are offering to end this, give your PK'ed provinces so science, a WW -- and you have to give rage cows their acres back?
[21:11] <Elit> are rage is going to return core acres?
[21:12] <munk> not if you are getting WW.
[21:12] <Elit> and if we mp they will return all core acres?
[21:12] <munk> the central element of a deal would be "In exchance for WW (science for PK'ed provinces) you give back acres to Rage cows"
[21:13] <munk> Are you saying you could consider a deal where you got some core acres and rage got cow acres?
[21:14] <munk> Elit
[21:14] <munk> it's a good deal
[21:14] <munk> it contains important element of reconsilation
[21:14] <munk> you get a way to get your PK'ed restarted a bit with science
[21:14] <munk> rage get important cow acres back
[21:17] <Elit> yes i know
[21:18] <munk> i think u know it's a fair'ish deal
[21:18] <Elit> im look at rage kdpage now
[21:18] <munk> but i can understand if it's hard to sell to kd
[21:18] <Elit> this war kinda killed rage age
[21:18] <munk> and I don't know how i can help that
[21:19] <Elit> i dont think we or rage can make deal about war
[21:19] <Elit> before it end
[21:19] <Elit> none in my kd agree give cow acress
[21:19] <munk> well understand me right -- you're saying no to a deal that isn't very 'bully'
[21:19] <Elit> and look like ppl care more for drop cows from WW
[21:19] <Elit> deal is for save rage ass
[21:20] <Elit> and rage is second main kd in gb
[21:20] <Elit> after we tape cows rage cant win vs any kd with cow
[21:20] <Elit> so its gg for them
[21:20] <Elit> same like age for us
[21:20] <Elit> just not pked so they still have chances
[21:20] <munk> ok elit
[21:20] <munk> seems we won't come to an agreement
[21:20] <munk> I can't offer you anything better
[21:21] <Elit> yes about war atm i dont see how we can make deal
[21:21] <munk> i'm already unpopular with the other ppl in the alliance -- for suggestion something too nice.
[21:21] <Elit> sorry for make your rating go down!
[21:21] <munk> I thought this was the best possible deal -- but I couldn't convince you :(
[21:21] <munk> well -- noone likes me anyway :(
[21:21] <Elit> its good deal for rage
[21:22] <Elit> look our kd page
[21:22] <Elit> and tell me what deal can fit for us
[21:22] <munk> elit
[21:22] <munk> i can't give you ANY deal
[21:22] <munk> that's gonna make your kingdom happy
[21:23] <munk> while making the ppl in the GB happy
[21:23] <Elit> yes
[21:23] <Elit> and atm my ppl are happy enough with rape rage cows
[21:23] <munk> i can imagine
[21:23] <Elit> and im sure rage is not happy
[21:23] <munk> oh btw
[21:23] <munk> i'd like to paste our log to our group
[21:24] <munk> are you ok with that?
[21:24] <Elit> np
[21:24] <munk> i kinda said i would as a 'reprensentative'
[21:24] <Elit> ok paste it
[21:24] <munk> but i like to ask ppl first, before i share logs ;)
[21:24] <Elit> im going to paste to kd
[21:24] <munk> i didnt' say ok!

[Elit]

Public opinion has hardly backfired, you just made more people from AMA post and some first time posters showed up linked to ama. Apart from that its the very same people as it was from the start of this thread.
Its your way of looking at things, that you deserve some kind of good deals after you have dealbroken. Not mine.

I still want explain from "fair alliance" and special from Havoc why raze KDs support us. Do you deny other ppl right to have his view about situation and you plan to GB every one who don't share your view for "fair play".
There wont be deal till you compensate them for all UNFAIR razes you done.

[American Badass]

So my main criticism is. If they are going to pull out of the crown race for NW/Land, why will they not agree to let Rage re-instate their acres lost in this war that should never have happened? Also why should Elit be in a position to wrongly gain a WW for any kind of deal considering we are not suppose to even be in this conflict?

CrazyPete demands fair play for the smaller kingdom but his leader has no problem ****ting on them by dealing to get the Science boost / WW points to go down and steal there crowns.

Sharing logs is fun.

[American Badass]

I still want explain from "fair alliance" and special from Havoc why raze KDs support us. Do you deny other ppl right to have his view about situation and you plan to GB every one who don't share your view for "fair play".
There wont be deal till you compensate them for all UNFAIR razes you done.

Do you know what we PM them? That all deals you make you do not try and get cleared relations to them. We have said to each and every king that they have not been mentioned once and they should msg you to start being included in negotiation talks as you most likely have no problems leaving them behind.

All and every deal we make will include EACH kingdom that is contributing.

[Elit]

So basically in short Elit wants the WW from Rage so he can Land Drop and go for the WW/Honor crown and give nothing to Rage. What Elit does not get is this war is a result to a GB that was caused by HIS kd dealbreaking. He does raise one very good point though that Rage's age is "over" so this is why his demand is laughable. We will NOT be giving him the WW now so he can take honor... do not threat WW/Honor kds. This is cerb doing dip and then passing it on to munk.

Please tell us where and how the FP alliance is being unreasonable. Bare in mind for these 3 hours we halted PKs.

1.Havoc **** play all age small kds.
2. Havoc try same vs us and not worked.
3. Havoc called Rage/Pyro/Simians/Rusty with: promote fair play and promise Pyro fair war for n1 after take us down.
4. AMA is down.
5. Pyro proposed reasonable deal for all Sides. AMA acepted it but Havoc refuse.
6. Pyro left GB alliance and they loss his right for fair war with Havoc for n1.
7. AMA declare War Rage and Simians/Rusty keep max raze us.
8. Drixx contacted ama and told im look for deal but im go off next 10h and left. 10h later we Got new prov PKed oow and Drixx say he don't have control over GB.
9. Elit start being unreasonable :P

We are on number 9 now. Rage had his time to aceppt deal we proposed before war is declared. Look over logs. I told munk we can talk for new deal after war with rage end. Make sure you come this time in time. If you want to offer us free acres i dont mind but we wont offer it.

[Anri]

I still want explain from "fair alliance" and special from Havoc why raze KDs support us. Do you deny other ppl right to have his view about situation and you plan to GB every one who don't share your view for "fair play".
There wont be deal till you compensate them for all UNFAIR razes you done.

To be honest i did not fully understand this because your english might be one step worse then mine.
lol

[Anri]

So basically in short Elit wants the WW from Rage so he can Land Drop and go for the WW/Honor crown and give nothing to Rage. What Elit does not get is this war is a result to a GB that was caused by HIS kd dealbreaking. He does raise one very good point though that Rage's age is "over" so this is why his demand is laughable. We will NOT be giving him the WW now so he can take honor... do not threat WW/Honor kds. This is cerb doing dip and then passing it on to munk.

Please tell us where and how the FP alliance is being unreasonable. Bare in mind for these 3 hours we halted PKs.

[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:25] <Elit> we want WW
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:25] <Elit> we will take honor bonus if we agree to make deal
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> If we give you the WW, we want acres back on at least out former 17k cow.
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Elit> and we gave up n1 land/nw chart
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> ya, the giving up land/nw chart
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Elit> we wont interfere in havoc age
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> and cf's for everyone are all implicit
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> you won't interfere in the age of anyone involved
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Elit> we will eoa all kds involved
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> not just havoc
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> if some freak occurrence happens
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Elit> yes
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Cerberus_v666> and rusy ends up #1
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Cerberus_v666> you won't interfere
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Cerberus_v666> :P
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Elit> sure
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Elit> :P
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Cerberus_v666> and our bank acres?
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Elit> they are fair gained
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Elit> tbh
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Elit> best deal we can make work for all atm
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Elit> is you gave us n1 land prov and nw we nap eoa all rest and do noting rest from age
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Elit> all happy
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Cerberus_v666> that's not gonna happen
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Elit> why
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Elit> its make sense for my kd
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Cerberus_v666> yes
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:29] <Cerberus_v666> but the only reason havoc is okay with you keeping your cow acres
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:29] <Cerberus_v666> is with the rule that you can't be allowe to crown with them
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:29] <Cerberus_v666> so that suggestion won't be workable
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:41] <Elit> hi
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:42] <Cerberus_v666> we have everybody involved in this online right now
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:42] <Cerberus_v666> unlike yesterday when drixx wasnt around etc
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:42] <Elit> k
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:42] <Cerberus_v666> they asked me to extend our previous offer again
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:42] <Cerberus_v666> war till min time then MP. Rage gets back any cow acres they lost. EOACFwithallkd'sinvolved.Can't be within 20% of any nw/land/prov crown. All other top 10 kd's agree that iftheydealbreak they getgb'dagain. If it is eoa for crown shaping the #2 will be razed equal amount.
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:43] <Elit> are you serious coming there to offer me it again after last pk?
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:43] <Elit> if you look for deal its will be on my temrs i proposes+some kind sompensation for new pk
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <&Devolution> lol
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:44] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:43] <Elit> or there wont be any cf till eoa any kd hit us
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:59] <Cerberus_v666> Okay, Drixx is not willing to reward you for dealbreaking by giving you a war win.
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:59] <Cerberus_v666> So any deal we make can only work on an MP at best.
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:00] <Cerberus_v666> You said you want a WW, if you won't take anything less then I guess we should both get back to what we were doing before
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:02] <Elit> im not sure do you understand it
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:02] <Elit> but its kinda last channce for make any deal
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:02] <Elit> after war with rage end and our cf with havoc end
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:02] <Elit> there is no back
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:02] <Elit> we wont make any kind deal



[20:14] <munk> hi
[20:16] <Elit> hi
[20:16] <munk> i'm here to try and see if we can find a way to end this
[20:17] <munk> to take over from cerb
[20:17] <Elit> ok
[20:17] <Elit> but do you trust me :P
[20:18] <munk> I think if we find a deal that's not rubbish, and you accept it -- and we agree to consequences
[20:18] <munk> then yeah, i think we can find a deal we both can trust.
[20:18] <Elit> correct
[20:19] <munk> it's really hard to get so many different people with different motivations to agree to something
[20:19] <munk> Personally -- I think it was lame to dealbreak and my stance would be a punishment would be to 'force' acres back to prior to at dealbreak and some % penalty to dealbreaking kingdoms.
[20:20] <Elit> yes, im not sure what we want atm too
[20:20] <Elit> what i know for sure is
[20:20] <Elit> if we make deal
[20:20] <munk> I think we've taken more than enough -- but it's been hard to end this because there has been so many feelings both sides.
[20:20] <Elit> we will stay out from run n1 land/nw
[20:20] <Elit> kd
[20:20] <Elit> we will eoa nap big kds
[20:20] <Elit> so no one can feed on us or we feed on them
[20:20] <Elit> keep blance
[20:20] <munk> yeah, that's what i've understood and that sounds good.
[20:20] <munk> it seems to me
[20:21] <Elit> and you can be sure we wont **** havoc
[20:21] <munk> the issue atm is current war end MP or WW
[20:21] <Elit> what i cant make compromise for being is WW
[20:21] <Elit> if we make deal for WW we will pick honor bonus
[20:21] <munk> i understand u need the WW for sci on small ones?
[20:21] <Elit> but we get books sci
[20:21] <Elit> four our killed
[20:21] <munk> yes
[20:21] <Elit> yes
[20:21] <munk> would make sense
[20:21] <munk> the issues I see
[20:22] <Elit> how i told cerberus
[20:22] <munk> is that some could fear if bishop thinks it is FW
[20:22] <Elit> aftyer all end i need to talk my kd what we want
[20:22] <munk> + some in alliance think it's unfair to give dealbreaker WW
[20:22] <munk> ok
[20:22] <Elit> 1. do noting rest from age
[20:22] <Elit> 2 try war
[20:22] <Elit> i prefer 1 :)
[20:23] <munk> mh
[20:23] <Elit> you need to understand we are there because your kd try to arogant bully us
[20:23] <Elit> so we share same guilty
[20:23] <Elit> moment we deal broke we gave up n1
[20:23] <munk> i think we'll disagree on how exactly to define that
[20:23] <Elit> we did it for gave you lesson
[20:23] <Elit> so its not reward WW
[20:23] <munk> i can agree we pushed u, but i wont agree that it's ok to dealbreak in that situation.
[20:23] <Elit> you get your acres back
[20:23] <Elit> we get pked
[20:23] <Elit> and loss land
[20:24] <Elit> do you think if we dont get any in return its make sens for us to do deal?
[20:24] <Elit> and im not ok with deal break too
[20:24] <Elit> its result from n00bs take over both kds
[20:24] <Elit> munk and proteus :P
[20:25] <munk> mh
[20:25] <munk> well
[20:25] <munk> it's hard to make EVERYTHING right
[20:25] <Elit> yes
[20:25] <Elit> and i was really bussy for bother with uto
[20:25] <munk> I'm having issues with ppl not accepting to give AMA a ww
[20:26] <munk> from my end
[20:26] <munk> it'd be easier to have a MP solution
[20:26] <Elit> so left ppl to decide and they made not go choice
[20:26] <munk> it 'sounds' more fai
[20:26] <munk> to ppl.
[20:26] <Elit> munk
[20:26] <munk> i understand the science problem
[20:26] <munk> i
[20:26] <Elit> if we dont get WW there wont be deal
[20:26] <munk> i am just telling u what's difficult for me to make ppl accept.
[20:26] <munk> and i'm saying -- maybe there is an alternative for ww which u could prefer / live with?
[20:27] <munk> eg -- keep our cow acres, don't give rusty back acres -- get some free learns? something?
[20:27] <munk> is there something we can do?
[20:27] <munk> cos for some of our members of alliance -- giving WW to dealbreaking kd, is something hard for them to accept.
[20:28] <Elit> [21:00] <Cerberus_v666> You said you want a WW, if you won't take anything less then I guess we should both get back to what we were doing before
[20:28] <Elit> [21:02] <Elit> im not sure do you understand it
[20:28] <Elit> [21:02] <Elit> but its kinda last channce for make any deal
[20:28] <Elit> [21:02] <Elit> after war with rage end and our cf with havoc end
[20:28] <Elit> [21:02] <Elit> there is no back
[20:28] <Elit> [21:02] <Elit> we wont make any kind deal
[20:28] <Elit> [21:03] <Elit> if its not include havoc gave up attemp for n1
[20:28] <Elit> [21:03] <Cerberus_v666> sound like you're the one on a clock, not us.
[20:28] <Elit> [21:03] <Elit> wrong again :)
[20:28] <munk> well
[20:28] <munk> elit
[20:28] <munk> if u remember i liked ama
[20:29] <munk> i think this is bull**** that we're still doing this
[20:29] <munk> and I want to also do other stuff
[20:29] <munk> u know i want to end this if possible.
[20:29] <Elit> yes its BS
[20:29] <Elit> i want to end it
[20:29] <munk> i'm not using it as a 'trick'
[20:29] <munk> to say it's hard to give ww
[20:29] <Elit> but i need to care for my kd morale too
[20:29] <munk> i'm just trying to find a way around it?
[20:29] <Elit> and ppl feelings
[20:29] <munk> yeah i know
[20:29] <Elit> after all this GB and pk
[20:29] <Elit> i have very limited options
[20:29] <Elit> to make kd feel good
[20:29] <munk> yeah
[20:29] <Elit> ppl are ready to fight till all die or **** havoc
[20:30] <munk> but i do not think i will be able to find a way to give u ww
[20:30] <munk> and i want to try and see if there is another wya
[20:30] <Elit> im sure if drixx want to end it he will give us WW
[20:30] <munk> i mean, if u accept mp u can maybe get something else?
[20:30] <Elit> what to get ?
[20:30] <Elit> i need noting
[20:31] <Elit> i made huge compromise last age
[20:31] <Elit> with drixx
[20:31] <Elit> and he didunt bother much for prevent GB
[20:31] <Elit> after i was back
[20:32] <Elit> you simle procesed it
[20:32] <munk> i what?
[20:33] <Elit> im say no one try to do diplo with me in real
[20:33] <Elit> for prevent GB
[20:33] <Elit> all was happy for make GB
[20:33] <Elit> and its include drixx
[20:33] <Elit> last age i spend 3 days atalk all
[20:33] <Elit> if you remember i askedyou for your opinion
[20:33] <Elit> and i talked every kd
[20:33] <Elit> was so easy to simple GB them
[20:34] <Elit> how your di this age
[20:34] <Elit> im say if he want to end it he need to make COMPROMISE
[20:34] <Elit> how we did last age
[20:34] <munk> mh
[20:34] <munk> it's hard for everyone to do the right thing
[20:34] <munk> ppl have feelings too
[20:34] <munk> seems proteus has pissed drixx off alot
[20:35] <munk> so it takes alot for him to consider giving proteus another ww
[20:35] <Elit> i told drixx many times: dont talk him
[20:35] <Elit> its dont give him WW
[20:35] <munk> i know
[20:35] <munk> it's like i tell u
[20:35] <munk> 'dont mind godly'
[20:35] <munk> do u?
[20:35] <munk> :P
[20:35] <Elit> he is one from main reason
[20:35] <Elit> for all ****s
[20:35] <Elit> and use words""better kd"
[20:36] <Elit> how havoc is better because pumped for 8 weeks and get more land
[20:36] <Elit> im sure if you was on ama side now havoc wont be top 3
[20:36] <munk> i've always told u that godly likes to taunt on forums :P
[20:36] <Elit> with all b2b wars and power play
[20:36] <munk> and as i said
[20:36] <Elit> he can make fun on rest
[20:36] <munk> before
[20:36] <munk> i was ama
[20:36] <Elit> not on me
[20:36] <munk> the game would be boring :P
[20:36] <munk> too easy
[20:37] <munk> ;)
[20:37] <Elit> im joke alot in forum
[20:37] <Elit> but i dont trash talk other kds
[20:37] <Elit> if we dont count simians :)
[20:38] <Elit> and every one make fun on simians
[20:38] <munk> mmh
[20:40] <Elit> i think we are very close to make deal
[20:40] <Elit> if we get WW
[20:40] <munk> well
[20:40] <munk> yes/no
[20:40] <Elit> maybe you need to look it from other side
[20:40] <Elit> if we dnt make deal
[20:40] <Elit> what is next?
[20:41] <munk> i dont think that's a good reason to 'push' a deal
[20:41] <Elit> im sure we can declare rage again if we get button
[20:41] <munk> we need to make a deal because everyone know this is BS and shouldnt be what utopia is against.
[20:41] <Elit> and we can raze havoc cows
[20:41] <Elit> so no one will like result
[20:41] <Elit> yes its BS
[20:41] <Elit> agree
[20:42] <munk> atm if drixx is to consider WW
[20:42] <munk> he's going to want cow acres back + free hit
[20:42] <munk> minimum
[20:42] <munk> and that's already VERY hard for drixx
[20:45] <Elit> maybe we can talk after war end for deal?
[20:46] <munk> after war end?
[20:46] <Elit> im sure drixx need to choice WD or WW and get more cow acres loss.
[20:46] <Elit> yes
[20:46] <Elit> if its hard for him
[20:46] <Elit> we can let him end war natural
[20:46] <munk> the thing is
[20:46] <munk> if we don't make a deal soon
[20:46] <munk> we have to help the kds that helped us
[20:46] <Elit> you will gb pyro :P
[20:46] <munk> and things won't get easier.
[20:47] <munk> i prefer that not to happen
[20:47] <munk> cos this is silly enough
[20:47] <munk> the issue is
[20:47] <munk> it's hard for you to accept a deal
[20:47] <Elit> yes i know when our post war cf expire
[20:47] <munk> and it's hard for our sides to accept.
[20:47] <munk> I mean
[20:47] <munk> even if CR thinks ama has been punished enough
[20:47] <munk> we can't just leave rage / simians / rusty alone
[20:47] <munk> if there isn't a deal
[20:47] <munk> i know u understand that
[20:48] <Elit> yes i know
[20:48] <munk> so if you need WW to 'sell' a deal to your kingdom
[20:48] <Elit> but i know havoc cant make any next ~~24h
[20:48] <munk> drixx will require cow acres back + free hits
[20:49] <munk> but are you saying you can't find a deal where u give cow acres back + free hits? for WW?
[20:51] <Elit> im look over it
[20:52] <munk> it would ofc also require CF deals etc etc for kingdoms around
[20:52] <munk> and we would need to talk to BB to also agree to give rage a new cf -- since rage have been spending time with this instead of prepping.
[20:53] <munk> but is that something you could work with?
[20:54] <Elit> [21:52] <~Elit> [21:49] <munk> but are you saying you can't find a deal where u give cow acres back + free hits? for WW?
[20:54] <Elit> [21:52] <~Elit> one onw want to acept it?
[20:54] <Elit> [21:52] <~Elit> :)
[20:54] <Elit> [21:52] <@Furypro> how about no
[20:54] <Elit> [21:52] <~Elit> ok
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> Elit they cant demand
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> cow acres
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> because we can take their cow acres
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> and they cant take ours
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> in this war
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> so they should make an acceptable offer
[20:54] <Elit> [21:54] <@viNdict> not something before gb, or before dealbreak or whatever
[20:54] <munk> mmh
[20:55] <Elit> its make sense
[20:55] <munk> i mean, everything 'makes' sense
[20:55] <munk> everyone has their own feelings
[20:55] <munk> own agendas etc
[20:55] <munk> ppl will have to make sacrifises
[20:55] <munk> so the alternative
[20:55] <munk> is to not get WW?
[20:56] <munk> i mean, i see rage here as sacrifing something to make a deal
[20:56] <munk> they give WW for acres back, or they don't give ww
[20:56] <munk> ama has to 'give' something too?
[20:59] <Elit> problem is
[20:59] <Elit> i think we will get WW
[20:59] <Elit> if we keep it
[20:59] <Elit> or we will farm cows more
[20:59] <Elit> its someting rage cant prevent
[20:59] <munk> yes/no -- but then you'll also 'force' CR to step in
[21:00] <Elit> sure
[21:00] <munk> and in the end we agreed that's something we both not prefer.
[21:00] <Elit> after our cf expire
[21:00] <Elit> we both agree cr want to win age
[21:00] <Elit> and spend more time on us dont help for it
[21:00] <munk> that too
[21:00] <munk> but we in CR
[21:00] <munk> don't control "what is acceptable for rage"
[21:01] <munk> if rage can argue that they cannot accept to give WW without getting cow acres back -- then we have little choice but to continue action against ama.
[21:02] <Elit> about cf with bb you need to talk direct with bb
[21:02] <munk> yeah
[21:02] <munk> ofc
[21:02] <Elit> i never talk for them
[21:02] <munk> ofc
[21:02] <Elit> i mean i cant make deal for bb
[21:02] <munk> i know!
[21:02] <munk> but
[21:02] <munk> the way i see it
[21:03] <munk> you have to accept giving acres to rage cows to get WW. Otherwise I can't find a deal that makes everyone happen.
[21:03] <munk> You're saying no to that?
[21:06] <Elit> its vey hard for me too
[21:09] <munk> elit i need a yes/no
[21:09] <munk> hard to move forward when something so central to a possible deal isn't clear.
[21:09] <Elit> we wont give rage free hits/acres
[21:09] <Elit> its no
[21:10] <munk> you understand that we as an alliance are offering to end this, give your PK'ed provinces so science, a WW -- and you have to give rage cows their acres back?
[21:11] <Elit> are rage is going to return core acres?
[21:12] <munk> not if you are getting WW.
[21:12] <Elit> and if we mp they will return all core acres?
[21:12] <munk> the central element of a deal would be "In exchance for WW (science for PK'ed provinces) you give back acres to Rage cows"
[21:13] <munk> Are you saying you could consider a deal where you got some core acres and rage got cow acres?
[21:14] <munk> Elit
[21:14] <munk> it's a good deal
[21:14] <munk> it contains important element of reconsilation
[21:14] <munk> you get a way to get your PK'ed restarted a bit with science
[21:14] <munk> rage get important cow acres back
[21:17] <Elit> yes i know
[21:18] <munk> i think u know it's a fair'ish deal
[21:18] <Elit> im look at rage kdpage now
[21:18] <munk> but i can understand if it's hard to sell to kd
[21:18] <Elit> this war kinda killed rage age
[21:18] <munk> and I don't know how i can help that
[21:19] <Elit> i dont think we or rage can make deal about war
[21:19] <Elit> before it end
[21:19] <Elit> none in my kd agree give cow acress
[21:19] <munk> well understand me right -- you're saying no to a deal that isn't very 'bully'
[21:19] <Elit> and look like ppl care more for drop cows from WW
[21:19] <Elit> deal is for save rage ass
[21:20] <Elit> and rage is second main kd in gb
[21:20] <Elit> after we tape cows rage cant win vs any kd with cow
[21:20] <Elit> so its gg for them
[21:20] <Elit> same like age for us
[21:20] <Elit> just not pked so they still have chances
[21:20] <munk> ok elit
[21:20] <munk> seems we won't come to an agreement
[21:20] <munk> I can't offer you anything better
[21:21] <Elit> yes about war atm i dont see how we can make deal
[21:21] <munk> i'm already unpopular with the other ppl in the alliance -- for suggestion something too nice.
[21:21] <Elit> sorry for make your rating go down!
[21:21] <munk> I thought this was the best possible deal -- but I couldn't convince you :(
[21:21] <munk> well -- noone likes me anyway :(
[21:21] <Elit> its good deal for rage
[21:22] <Elit> look our kd page
[21:22] <Elit> and tell me what deal can fit for us
[21:22] <munk> elit
[21:22] <munk> i can't give you ANY deal
[21:22] <munk> that's gonna make your kingdom happy
[21:23] <munk> while making the ppl in the GB happy
[21:23] <Elit> yes
[21:23] <Elit> and atm my ppl are happy enough with rape rage cows
[21:23] <munk> i can imagine
[21:23] <Elit> and im sure rage is not happy
[21:23] <munk> oh btw
[21:23] <munk> i'd like to paste our log to our group
[21:24] <munk> are you ok with that?
[21:24] <Elit> np
[21:24] <munk> i kinda said i would as a 'reprensentative'
[21:24] <Elit> ok paste it
[21:24] <munk> but i like to ask ppl first, before i share logs ;)
[21:24] <Elit> im going to paste to kd
[21:24] <munk> i didnt' say ok!

This is a good read and only happend a few hours back and the reason GB still continues.
I think it was more then a fair deal from our side and i think all our deals been fair even since before the GB itself.
Elit could and should have taken a deal back then before anyone had to get killed.

But if the public is willing to see this or not is another question....

[Randomness]

So from a completly nuetral point of view (haven't spoken to any of the people from other KDs) and I am from the ghettos, this is how I see this entire event:

1) AMA pushed into a corner and taunded, they decide it is best to dealbreak and bring down CR with them
2) CR feeling too cocky and do not keep an eye on their enemy panick and call for help
3) Pyro probably the KD that appears to be in it the most for "fair play" (I feel that they had their own initial self interest in this situation, but when the GB turned from punishment to vendetta they decided enough is enough and wanted to seperate themselves from the PR mess)
4) Simians emberassed from the situation where they call out AMA to war and then end up running after the recieve the button + give up free acres. They decide to get their revenge this way.
5) RBL enter the GB due to their alliance
6) Rusty I am not sure about this as nothing really here has been posted about them, so I am guessing that they may be doing this to get some CF in the top 10 for the rest of this age and maybe the next age/part of it?

So just after stating all this, I believe that CR did a pointless act of calling out AMA (I believe that CR is aware that the start of the war thread this early was unneceassary). AMA did dealbreak and they deserve to be removed from the crown race (They have stated this in this thread...I am not sure why people are still saying they tried to steal the crown). In addition I strongly feel that the members of the GB were participating in the GB of AMA for their own personal reasons (Some seeking advantage and some for revenge). I think the idea for the GB was justified but the parties involved were looking for different results to the GB and therefore this resulted in no easy end to the conflict as their was no real agenda to the GB.

As I said in the beginning, this is just my personal opinion from reading the forums (not only this thread but the others in the forums). Thank you for those who took the time in reading my post! I enjoy in seeing how top battles play out. There have been some really great wars this age so far and I feel that there could have been a few more interesting ones if we saw a different course of actions!

[Anri]

4) Simians emberassed from the situation where they call out AMA to war and then end up running after the recieve the button + give up free acres. They decide to get their revenge this way.

I will just answer this one because it is completely untrue, we never run from a good war, we made a declare date on AMA when we had button and by that time Pyromaniacs read our orders and waved us back. The main reason to cancel our war against AMA. So its utterly and complete BS. We war any KD on this server among the top KDs without thinking twice about it most of the time. We dont care that much for wins and losses. But we also dont war AMA while having given button to pyromanaics that hits us back.

At any chance we get we will help punish dealbreakers and we attended at things like this before so its not a first time thing, no matter if its AMA or some other kd.

[IrGr8Nublet]

So from a completly nuetral point of view (haven't spoken to any of the people from other KDs) and I am from the ghettos, this is how I see this entire event:

1) AMA pushed into a corner and taunded, they decide it is best to dealbreak and bring down CR with them
2) CR feeling too cocky and do not keep an eye on their enemy panick and call for help
3) Pyro probably the KD that appears to be in it the most for "fair play" (I feel that they had their own initial self interest in this situation, but when the GB turned from punishment to vendetta they decided enough is enough and wanted to seperate themselves from the PR mess)
4) Simians emberassed from the situation where they call out AMA to war and then end up running after the recieve the button + give up free acres. They decide to get their revenge this way.
5) RBL enter the GB due to their alliance
6) Rusty I am not sure about this as nothing really here has been posted about them, so I am guessing that they may be doing this to get some CF in the top 10 for the rest of this age and maybe the next age/part of it?

So just after stating all this, I believe that CR did a pointless act of calling out AMA (I believe that CR is aware that the start of the war thread this early was unneceassary). AMA did dealbreak and they deserve to be removed from the crown race (They have stated this in this thread...I am not sure why people are still saying they tried to steal the crown). In addition I strongly feel that the members of the GB were participating in the GB of AMA for their own personal reasons (Some seeking advantage and some for revenge). I think the idea for the GB was justified but the parties involved were looking for different results to the GB and therefore this resulted in no easy end to the conflict as their was no real agenda to the GB.

As I said in the beginning, this is just my personal opinion from reading the forums (not only this thread but the others in the forums). Thank you for those who took the time in reading my post! I enjoy in seeing how top battles play out. There have been some really great wars this age so far and I feel that there could have been a few more interesting ones if we saw a different course of actions!

Sounds accurate minus the crying. I believe you are in contention with palem for most accurate thread summary.

[Crunch]

So basically in short Elit wants the WW from Rage so he can Land Drop and go for the WW/Honor crown and give nothing to Rage. What Elit does not get is this war is a result to a GB that was caused by HIS kd dealbreaking. He does raise one very good point though that Rage's age is "over" so this is why his demand is laughable. We will NOT be giving him the WW now so he can take honor... do not threat WW/Honor kds. This is cerb doing dip and then passing it on to munk.

Please tell us where and how the FP alliance is being unreasonable. Bare in mind for these 3 hours we halted PKs.

[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:25] <Elit> we want WW
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:25] <Elit> we will take honor bonus if we agree to make deal
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> If we give you the WW, we want acres back on at least out former 17k cow.
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Elit> and we gave up n1 land/nw chart
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> ya, the giving up land/nw chart
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Elit> we wont interfere in havoc age
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> and cf's for everyone are all implicit
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> you won't interfere in the age of anyone involved
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Elit> we will eoa all kds involved
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> not just havoc
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:26] <Cerberus_v666> if some freak occurrence happens
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Elit> yes
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Cerberus_v666> and rusy ends up #1
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Cerberus_v666> you won't interfere
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Cerberus_v666> :P
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Elit> sure
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Elit> :P
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Cerberus_v666> and our bank acres?
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Elit> they are fair gained
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:27] <Elit> tbh
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Elit> best deal we can make work for all atm
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Elit> is you gave us n1 land prov and nw we nap eoa all rest and do noting rest from age
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Elit> all happy
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Cerberus_v666> that's not gonna happen
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Elit> why
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Elit> its make sense for my kd
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:28] <Cerberus_v666> yes
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:29] <Cerberus_v666> but the only reason havoc is okay with you keeping your cow acres
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:29] <Cerberus_v666> is with the rule that you can't be allowe to crown with them
[18:30] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:29] <Cerberus_v666> so that suggestion won't be workable
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:41] <Elit> hi
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:42] <Cerberus_v666> we have everybody involved in this online right now
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:42] <Cerberus_v666> unlike yesterday when drixx wasnt around etc
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:42] <Elit> k
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:42] <Cerberus_v666> they asked me to extend our previous offer again
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:42] <Cerberus_v666> war till min time then MP. Rage gets back any cow acres they lost. EOACFwithallkd'sinvolved.Can't be within 20% of any nw/land/prov crown. All other top 10 kd's agree that iftheydealbreak they getgb'dagain. If it is eoa for crown shaping the #2 will be razed equal amount.
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:43] <Elit> are you serious coming there to offer me it again after last pk?
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:43] <Elit> if you look for deal its will be on my temrs i proposes+some kind sompensation for new pk
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:43] <&Devolution> lol
[18:53] <&maximouse> [18:44] <@Cerberus_v666> [09:43] <Elit> or there wont be any cf till eoa any kd hit us
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:59] <Cerberus_v666> Okay, Drixx is not willing to reward you for dealbreaking by giving you a war win.
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [10:59] <Cerberus_v666> So any deal we make can only work on an MP at best.
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:00] <Cerberus_v666> You said you want a WW, if you won't take anything less then I guess we should both get back to what we were doing before
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:02] <Elit> im not sure do you understand it
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:02] <Elit> but its kinda last channce for make any deal
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:02] <Elit> after war with rage end and our cf with havoc end
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:02] <Elit> there is no back
[19:02] <@Cerberus_v666> [11:02] <Elit> we wont make any kind deal



[20:14] <munk> hi
[20:16] <Elit> hi
[20:16] <munk> i'm here to try and see if we can find a way to end this
[20:17] <munk> to take over from cerb
[20:17] <Elit> ok
[20:17] <Elit> but do you trust me :P
[20:18] <munk> I think if we find a deal that's not rubbish, and you accept it -- and we agree to consequences
[20:18] <munk> then yeah, i think we can find a deal we both can trust.
[20:18] <Elit> correct
[20:19] <munk> it's really hard to get so many different people with different motivations to agree to something
[20:19] <munk> Personally -- I think it was lame to dealbreak and my stance would be a punishment would be to 'force' acres back to prior to at dealbreak and some % penalty to dealbreaking kingdoms.
[20:20] <Elit> yes, im not sure what we want atm too
[20:20] <Elit> what i know for sure is
[20:20] <Elit> if we make deal
[20:20] <munk> I think we've taken more than enough -- but it's been hard to end this because there has been so many feelings both sides.
[20:20] <Elit> we will stay out from run n1 land/nw
[20:20] <Elit> kd
[20:20] <Elit> we will eoa nap big kds
[20:20] <Elit> so no one can feed on us or we feed on them
[20:20] <Elit> keep blance
[20:20] <munk> yeah, that's what i've understood and that sounds good.
[20:20] <munk> it seems to me
[20:21] <Elit> and you can be sure we wont **** havoc
[20:21] <munk> the issue atm is current war end MP or WW
[20:21] <Elit> what i cant make compromise for being is WW
[20:21] <Elit> if we make deal for WW we will pick honor bonus
[20:21] <munk> i understand u need the WW for sci on small ones?
[20:21] <Elit> but we get books sci
[20:21] <Elit> four our killed
[20:21] <munk> yes
[20:21] <Elit> yes
[20:21] <munk> would make sense
[20:21] <munk> the issues I see
[20:22] <Elit> how i told cerberus
[20:22] <munk> is that some could fear if bishop thinks it is FW
[20:22] <Elit> aftyer all end i need to talk my kd what we want
[20:22] <munk> + some in alliance think it's unfair to give dealbreaker WW
[20:22] <munk> ok
[20:22] <Elit> 1. do noting rest from age
[20:22] <Elit> 2 try war
[20:22] <Elit> i prefer 1 :)
[20:23] <munk> mh
[20:23] <Elit> you need to understand we are there because your kd try to arogant bully us
[20:23] <Elit> so we share same guilty
[20:23] <Elit> moment we deal broke we gave up n1
[20:23] <munk> i think we'll disagree on how exactly to define that
[20:23] <Elit> we did it for gave you lesson
[20:23] <Elit> so its not reward WW
[20:23] <munk> i can agree we pushed u, but i wont agree that it's ok to dealbreak in that situation.
[20:23] <Elit> you get your acres back
[20:23] <Elit> we get pked
[20:23] <Elit> and loss land
[20:24] <Elit> do you think if we dont get any in return its make sens for us to do deal?
[20:24] <Elit> and im not ok with deal break too
[20:24] <Elit> its result from n00bs take over both kds
[20:24] <Elit> munk and proteus :P
[20:25] <munk> mh
[20:25] <munk> well
[20:25] <munk> it's hard to make EVERYTHING right
[20:25] <Elit> yes
[20:25] <Elit> and i was really bussy for bother with uto
[20:25] <munk> I'm having issues with ppl not accepting to give AMA a ww
[20:26] <munk> from my end
[20:26] <munk> it'd be easier to have a MP solution
[20:26] <Elit> so left ppl to decide and they made not go choice
[20:26] <munk> it 'sounds' more fai
[20:26] <munk> to ppl.
[20:26] <Elit> munk
[20:26] <munk> i understand the science problem
[20:26] <munk> i
[20:26] <Elit> if we dont get WW there wont be deal
[20:26] <munk> i am just telling u what's difficult for me to make ppl accept.
[20:26] <munk> and i'm saying -- maybe there is an alternative for ww which u could prefer / live with?
[20:27] <munk> eg -- keep our cow acres, don't give rusty back acres -- get some free learns? something?
[20:27] <munk> is there something we can do?
[20:27] <munk> cos for some of our members of alliance -- giving WW to dealbreaking kd, is something hard for them to accept.
[20:28] <Elit> [21:00] <Cerberus_v666> You said you want a WW, if you won't take anything less then I guess we should both get back to what we were doing before
[20:28] <Elit> [21:02] <Elit> im not sure do you understand it
[20:28] <Elit> [21:02] <Elit> but its kinda last channce for make any deal
[20:28] <Elit> [21:02] <Elit> after war with rage end and our cf with havoc end
[20:28] <Elit> [21:02] <Elit> there is no back
[20:28] <Elit> [21:02] <Elit> we wont make any kind deal
[20:28] <Elit> [21:03] <Elit> if its not include havoc gave up attemp for n1
[20:28] <Elit> [21:03] <Cerberus_v666> sound like you're the one on a clock, not us.
[20:28] <Elit> [21:03] <Elit> wrong again :)
[20:28] <munk> well
[20:28] <munk> elit
[20:28] <munk> if u remember i liked ama
[20:29] <munk> i think this is bull**** that we're still doing this
[20:29] <munk> and I want to also do other stuff
[20:29] <munk> u know i want to end this if possible.
[20:29] <Elit> yes its BS
[20:29] <Elit> i want to end it
[20:29] <munk> i'm not using it as a 'trick'
[20:29] <munk> to say it's hard to give ww
[20:29] <Elit> but i need to care for my kd morale too
[20:29] <munk> i'm just trying to find a way around it?
[20:29] <Elit> and ppl feelings
[20:29] <munk> yeah i know
[20:29] <Elit> after all this GB and pk
[20:29] <Elit> i have very limited options
[20:29] <Elit> to make kd feel good
[20:29] <munk> yeah
[20:29] <Elit> ppl are ready to fight till all die or **** havoc
[20:30] <munk> but i do not think i will be able to find a way to give u ww
[20:30] <munk> and i want to try and see if there is another wya
[20:30] <Elit> im sure if drixx want to end it he will give us WW
[20:30] <munk> i mean, if u accept mp u can maybe get something else?
[20:30] <Elit> what to get ?
[20:30] <Elit> i need noting
[20:31] <Elit> i made huge compromise last age
[20:31] <Elit> with drixx
[20:31] <Elit> and he didunt bother much for prevent GB
[20:31] <Elit> after i was back
[20:32] <Elit> you simle procesed it
[20:32] <munk> i what?
[20:33] <Elit> im say no one try to do diplo with me in real
[20:33] <Elit> for prevent GB
[20:33] <Elit> all was happy for make GB
[20:33] <Elit> and its include drixx
[20:33] <Elit> last age i spend 3 days atalk all
[20:33] <Elit> if you remember i askedyou for your opinion
[20:33] <Elit> and i talked every kd
[20:33] <Elit> was so easy to simple GB them
[20:34] <Elit> how your di this age
[20:34] <Elit> im say if he want to end it he need to make COMPROMISE
[20:34] <Elit> how we did last age
[20:34] <munk> mh
[20:34] <munk> it's hard for everyone to do the right thing
[20:34] <munk> ppl have feelings too
[20:34] <munk> seems proteus has pissed drixx off alot
[20:35] <munk> so it takes alot for him to consider giving proteus another ww
[20:35] <Elit> i told drixx many times: dont talk him
[20:35] <Elit> its dont give him WW
[20:35] <munk> i know
[20:35] <munk> it's like i tell u
[20:35] <munk> 'dont mind godly'
[20:35] <munk> do u?
[20:35] <munk> :P
[20:35] <Elit> he is one from main reason
[20:35] <Elit> for all ****s
[20:35] <Elit> and use words""better kd"
[20:36] <Elit> how havoc is better because pumped for 8 weeks and get more land
[20:36] <Elit> im sure if you was on ama side now havoc wont be top 3
[20:36] <munk> i've always told u that godly likes to taunt on forums :P
[20:36] <Elit> with all b2b wars and power play
[20:36] <munk> and as i said
[20:36] <Elit> he can make fun on rest
[20:36] <munk> before
[20:36] <munk> i was ama
[20:36] <Elit> not on me
[20:36] <munk> the game would be boring :P
[20:36] <munk> too easy
[20:37] <munk> ;)
[20:37] <Elit> im joke alot in forum
[20:37] <Elit> but i dont trash talk other kds
[20:37] <Elit> if we dont count simians :)
[20:38] <Elit> and every one make fun on simians
[20:38] <munk> mmh
[20:40] <Elit> i think we are very close to make deal
[20:40] <Elit> if we get WW
[20:40] <munk> well
[20:40] <munk> yes/no
[20:40] <Elit> maybe you need to look it from other side
[20:40] <Elit> if we dnt make deal
[20:40] <Elit> what is next?
[20:41] <munk> i dont think that's a good reason to 'push' a deal
[20:41] <Elit> im sure we can declare rage again if we get button
[20:41] <munk> we need to make a deal because everyone know this is BS and shouldnt be what utopia is against.
[20:41] <Elit> and we can raze havoc cows
[20:41] <Elit> so no one will like result
[20:41] <Elit> yes its BS
[20:41] <Elit> agree
[20:42] <munk> atm if drixx is to consider WW
[20:42] <munk> he's going to want cow acres back + free hit
[20:42] <munk> minimum
[20:42] <munk> and that's already VERY hard for drixx
[20:45] <Elit> maybe we can talk after war end for deal?
[20:46] <munk> after war end?
[20:46] <Elit> im sure drixx need to choice WD or WW and get more cow acres loss.
[20:46] <Elit> yes
[20:46] <Elit> if its hard for him
[20:46] <Elit> we can let him end war natural
[20:46] <munk> the thing is
[20:46] <munk> if we don't make a deal soon
[20:46] <munk> we have to help the kds that helped us
[20:46] <Elit> you will gb pyro :P
[20:46] <munk> and things won't get easier.
[20:47] <munk> i prefer that not to happen
[20:47] <munk> cos this is silly enough
[20:47] <munk> the issue is
[20:47] <munk> it's hard for you to accept a deal
[20:47] <Elit> yes i know when our post war cf expire
[20:47] <munk> and it's hard for our sides to accept.
[20:47] <munk> I mean
[20:47] <munk> even if CR thinks ama has been punished enough
[20:47] <munk> we can't just leave rage / simians / rusty alone
[20:47] <munk> if there isn't a deal
[20:47] <munk> i know u understand that
[20:48] <Elit> yes i know
[20:48] <munk> so if you need WW to 'sell' a deal to your kingdom
[20:48] <Elit> but i know havoc cant make any next ~~24h
[20:48] <munk> drixx will require cow acres back + free hits
[20:49] <munk> but are you saying you can't find a deal where u give cow acres back + free hits? for WW?
[20:51] <Elit> im look over it
[20:52] <munk> it would ofc also require CF deals etc etc for kingdoms around
[20:52] <munk> and we would need to talk to BB to also agree to give rage a new cf -- since rage have been spending time with this instead of prepping.
[20:53] <munk> but is that something you could work with?
[20:54] <Elit> [21:52] <~Elit> [21:49] <munk> but are you saying you can't find a deal where u give cow acres back + free hits? for WW?
[20:54] <Elit> [21:52] <~Elit> one onw want to acept it?
[20:54] <Elit> [21:52] <~Elit> :)
[20:54] <Elit> [21:52] <@Furypro> how about no
[20:54] <Elit> [21:52] <~Elit> ok
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> Elit they cant demand
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> cow acres
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> because we can take their cow acres
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> and they cant take ours
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> in this war
[20:54] <Elit> [21:53] <@viNdict> so they should make an acceptable offer
[20:54] <Elit> [21:54] <@viNdict> not something before gb, or before dealbreak or whatever
[20:54] <munk> mmh
[20:55] <Elit> its make sense
[20:55] <munk> i mean, everything 'makes' sense
[20:55] <munk> everyone has their own feelings
[20:55] <munk> own agendas etc
[20:55] <munk> ppl will have to make sacrifises
[20:55] <munk> so the alternative
[20:55] <munk> is to not get WW?
[20:56] <munk> i mean, i see rage here as sacrifing something to make a deal
[20:56] <munk> they give WW for acres back, or they don't give ww
[20:56] <munk> ama has to 'give' something too?
[20:59] <Elit> problem is
[20:59] <Elit> i think we will get WW
[20:59] <Elit> if we keep it
[20:59] <Elit> or we will farm cows more
[20:59] <Elit> its someting rage cant prevent
[20:59] <munk> yes/no -- but then you'll also 'force' CR to step in
[21:00] <Elit> sure
[21:00] <munk> and in the end we agreed that's something we both not prefer.
[21:00] <Elit> after our cf expire
[21:00] <Elit> we both agree cr want to win age
[21:00] <Elit> and spend more time on us dont help for it
[21:00] <munk> that too
[21:00] <munk> but we in CR
[21:00] <munk> don't control "what is acceptable for rage"
[21:01] <munk> if rage can argue that they cannot accept to give WW without getting cow acres back -- then we have little choice but to continue action against ama.
[21:02] <Elit> about cf with bb you need to talk direct with bb
[21:02] <munk> yeah
[21:02] <munk> ofc
[21:02] <Elit> i never talk for them
[21:02] <munk> ofc
[21:02] <Elit> i mean i cant make deal for bb
[21:02] <munk> i know!
[21:02] <munk> but
[21:02] <munk> the way i see it
[21:03] <munk> you have to accept giving acres to rage cows to get WW. Otherwise I can't find a deal that makes everyone happen.
[21:03] <munk> You're saying no to that?
[21:06] <Elit> its vey hard for me too
[21:09] <munk> elit i need a yes/no
[21:09] <munk> hard to move forward when something so central to a possible deal isn't clear.
[21:09] <Elit> we wont give rage free hits/acres
[21:09] <Elit> its no
[21:10] <munk> you understand that we as an alliance are offering to end this, give your PK'ed provinces so science, a WW -- and you have to give rage cows their acres back?
[21:11] <Elit> are rage is going to return core acres?
[21:12] <munk> not if you are getting WW.
[21:12] <Elit> and if we mp they will return all core acres?
[21:12] <munk> the central element of a deal would be "In exchance for WW (science for PK'ed provinces) you give back acres to Rage cows"
[21:13] <munk> Are you saying you could consider a deal where you got some core acres and rage got cow acres?
[21:14] <munk> Elit
[21:14] <munk> it's a good deal
[21:14] <munk> it contains important element of reconsilation
[21:14] <munk> you get a way to get your PK'ed restarted a bit with science
[21:14] <munk> rage get important cow acres back
[21:17] <Elit> yes i know
[21:18] <munk> i think u know it's a fair'ish deal
[21:18] <Elit> im look at rage kdpage now
[21:18] <munk> but i can understand if it's hard to sell to kd
[21:18] <Elit> this war kinda killed rage age
[21:18] <munk> and I don't know how i can help that
[21:19] <Elit> i dont think we or rage can make deal about war
[21:19] <Elit> before it end
[21:19] <Elit> none in my kd agree give cow acress
[21:19] <munk> well understand me right -- you're saying no to a deal that isn't very 'bully'
[21:19] <Elit> and look like ppl care more for drop cows from WW
[21:19] <Elit> deal is for save rage ass
[21:20] <Elit> and rage is second main kd in gb
[21:20] <Elit> after we tape cows rage cant win vs any kd with cow
[21:20] <Elit> so its gg for them
[21:20] <Elit> same like age for us
[21:20] <Elit> just not pked so they still have chances
[21:20] <munk> ok elit
[21:20] <munk> seems we won't come to an agreement
[21:20] <munk> I can't offer you anything better
[21:21] <Elit> yes about war atm i dont see how we can make deal
[21:21] <munk> i'm already unpopular with the other ppl in the alliance -- for suggestion something too nice.
[21:21] <Elit> sorry for make your rating go down!
[21:21] <munk> I thought this was the best possible deal -- but I couldn't convince you :(
[21:21] <munk> well -- noone likes me anyway :(
[21:21] <Elit> its good deal for rage
[21:22] <Elit> look our kd page
[21:22] <Elit> and tell me what deal can fit for us
[21:22] <munk> elit
[21:22] <munk> i can't give you ANY deal
[21:22] <munk> that's gonna make your kingdom happy
[21:23] <munk> while making the ppl in the GB happy
[21:23] <Elit> yes
[21:23] <Elit> and atm my ppl are happy enough with rape rage cows
[21:23] <munk> i can imagine
[21:23] <Elit> and im sure rage is not happy
[21:23] <munk> oh btw
[21:23] <munk> i'd like to paste our log to our group
[21:24] <munk> are you ok with that?
[21:24] <Elit> np
[21:24] <munk> i kinda said i would as a 'reprensentative'
[21:24] <Elit> ok paste it
[21:24] <munk> but i like to ask ppl first, before i share logs ;)
[21:24] <Elit> im going to paste to kd
[21:24] <munk> i didnt' say ok!

maybe you should not be involved in a dirty ****play GB if you are incapable of fighting a war... ama deserves the win... you are GB them 12 to 1 you PK thier provs and they still beating you...

[KyGal]

Well .. we stood by them and therefore didn't gain those acres elsewhere, which we could have!! And hey ... does that also mean someone get's to learn CR 10 mill books or so?

In my opinion, you gave up your whoring when you chose to stand by them. The purpose of the gb was to teach the server that dealbreaking was not going to be tolerated. Yet if a KD says "Okay, I'll help you in this gb for fair play and in the meantime, I'll gain myself some nice acres for free"...

You took those acres from a KD that 11 others were hitting...

If you want to whore then do it, don't go off on some 'holier than though' mission and gain from it while all others (except CR) were razing and gave up the gains they could have done otherwise. You think Simians, Rage, and all the others wouldn't have liked to gain some land?

[American Badass]

So from a completly nuetral point of view (haven't spoken to any of the people from other KDs) and I am from the ghettos, this is how I see this entire event:

1) AMA pushed into a corner and taunded, they decide it is best to dealbreak and bring down CR with them
2) CR feeling too cocky and do not keep an eye on their enemy panick and call for help
3) Pyro probably the KD that appears to be in it the most for "fair play" (I feel that they had their own initial self interest in this situation, but when the GB turned from punishment to vendetta they decided enough is enough and wanted to seperate themselves from the PR mess)
4) Simians emberassed from the situation where they call out AMA to war and then end up running after the recieve the button + give up free acres. They decide to get their revenge this way.
5) RBL enter the GB due to their alliance
6) Rusty I am not sure about this as nothing really here has been posted about them, so I am guessing that they may be doing this to get some CF in the top 10 for the rest of this age and maybe the next age/part of it?

So just after stating all this, I believe that CR did a pointless act of calling out AMA (I believe that CR is aware that the start of the war thread this early was unneceassary). AMA did dealbreak and they deserve to be removed from the crown race (They have stated this in this thread...I am not sure why people are still saying they tried to steal the crown). In addition I strongly feel that the members of the GB were participating in the GB of AMA for their own personal reasons (Some seeking advantage and some for revenge). I think the idea for the GB was justified but the parties involved were looking for different results to the GB and therefore this resulted in no easy end to the conflict as their was no real agenda to the GB.

As I said in the beginning, this is just my personal opinion from reading the forums (not only this thread but the others in the forums). Thank you for those who took the time in reading my post! I enjoy in seeing how top battles play out. There have been some really great wars this age so far and I feel that there could have been a few more interesting ones if we saw a different course of actions!

Basically yes. What you have said is accurate. The GB had to happen to show that deal breaking is not ok and has never been ok especially so late in the age that effects the crown. Havoc is the kingdom that has lost out the most in this.

- Havoc are down acres and lost 1 bill gc
- Pyro gained cow acres and acres on their top core (no longer participating)
- Rage is now down acres on all their banks
- Simians has raze the whole time
- Rusty has just been razing but fought through a wave inflicted on them
- Random kingdoms are still helping the cause

So yes you could say some have gained from this and run off whilst the others are slogging it out. RBL could quite have easily left when it's ally had left but when we give our word to a cause we totally believe in we will stick by it and not leave our friends/competitors/foes in the **** to deal with the aftermath until something has been resolved.

[American Badass]

maybe you should not be involved in a dirty ****play GB if you are incapable of fighting a war... ama deserves the win... you are GB them 12 to 1 you PK thier provs and they still beating you...

The thing is though, Rage vs AMA should not be at war. It is only because AMA deal broke originally that they were able to push the button vs us as we had an EOACF. AMA no dealbreak, Rage no GB, Rage vs AMA no happens!!!!

In my opinion, you gave up your whoring when you chose to stand by them. The purpose of the gb was to teach the server that dealbreaking was not going to be tolerated. Yet if a KD says "Okay, I'll help you in this gb for fair play and in the meantime, I'll gain myself some nice acres for free"...

You took those acres from a KD that 11 others were hitting...

If you want to whore then do it, don't go off on some 'holier than though' mission and gain from it while all others (except CR) were razing and gave up the gains they could have done otherwise. You think Simians, Rage, and all the others wouldn't have liked to gain some land?

+1. All kingdoms on the outside have been razing in thus far apart from Pyro as we planned to try and set up a fair war. I like how your opinion on this is not pro one or the other and you can analyse what is presented in from of you :)

[Crunch]

The thing is though, Rage vs AMA should not be at war. It is only because AMA deal broke originally that they were able to push the button vs us as we had an EOACF. AMA no dealbreak, Rage no GB, Rage vs AMA no happens!!!!



+1. All kingdoms on the outside have been razing in thus far apart from Pyro as we planned to try and set up a fair war. I like how your opinion on this is not pro one or the other and you can analyse what is presented in from of you :)

wrong again.... it is because you GB you you gave them the button... they push it and you lose... ama deserves the win.... next time before you try to ****play someone with GB or anything else think about the fact that you can't war... stick to getting your cfs in place and rape ghettos only thing Fake rage is capable of