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[Elit]

Guess with all this QQ in forum war don't go so well. Can you post update?
About abuse or not we wont come to same opinion.

[SillyRabbit]

Sending aid is a clear mechanic abuse. Devs should be actioning EVERY player who sends aid. End of story.

[Bishop]

A "mechanic abuse" is what utopia is all about. Devs make changes, we figure out how to best play around it.

No, thats what you seem to think its about. Abusing mechancis isn't something we support and the rules clearly call that out.

Futhermore, Bishop hand picked the key provs in our war and just released their def to 0 intentionally instead of giving them a fighting chance by releasing some offense, some defense -- essentially just to attempt to farm them out to pyro.

This is just a fabrication. They provs that had troops released were the ones that were aided, i didn't randomly release troops and i released whatever troops were available to chosse from. Protip: you cant release troops that are out on an attack.

Every kingdom in utopia abuses mechanics.

Please report them then. We may not be able to address all your concerns but we will certainly try.

Last round, a kingdom complained of people resetting their chained provs in war to have them come back after 24 hrs of protection in great shape. Bishop's response? Get people from outside to raze them.

Important part in bold. This isnt last round and this isn't the same scenario.

Wake up, people. This isn't about abusing bugs. This is about Bishop's power trip.

This is about abusing game mechanics.

- More military released than what was aided (military paid for with real cash).

Its not really possible to directly release the GC that was also aided. Apart from that punishment isn't supposed to be a 0 sum game.

[topsy's revenge]

War was going one way because pyro are horrible at this game and trained no thieves or dspecs and then waved out with 20 hum/wh in pure whore build. Obviously removing 30% of a kd's military and suspending 2 provs so they come oop(after waiting 96 hours) with no owner effects the war. However, Pyro stole hundreds of millions of gc from pew2 last age before our conflict and still had to cry to us about internal conflict so that we'd stop wrecking their face. Who knows what level of ineptitude they'll show here.

[Godly]

Bishop, if you were planning on actioning people who "abused this tactic," why did you fix it in the code?

Report everyone who abuses game mechanics? Ok. last 2 crowns before us were fake wars meant to abuse the imbalaned WW land gains bonus. Please go back and properly give the crown to AMA and whoever the other kd was.

Considering you're the only person that knows what "spirit of the rules" means, who knows what else there is to report.

[Bishop]

Bishop, if you were planning on actioning people who "abused this tactic," why did you fix it in the code?

I thought it would make the abuse not worth it. I was wrong and people still abused so I actioned them. Removing abuse via game mechanics is preferable to account actions generally.

Report everyone who abuses game mechanics? Ok. last 2 crowns before us were fake wars meant to abuse the imbalaned WW land gains bonus. Please go back and properly give the crown to AMA and whoever the other kd was.

Current age only.

[TommyB]

Futhermore, Bishop hand picked the key provs in our war and just released their def to 0 intentionally instead of giving them a fighting chance by releasing some offense, some defense -- essentially just to attempt to farm them out to pyro.

That seems like an unfortunate solution as it also punishes all other kingdoms competing with Pyro this age.

This mechanic was already actively and intentionally balanced by making aiding reset your reset timer. It was further balanced by making provs that respawn in war have a 72 hour protection.

I don't think that is quite accurate. Being the first to have unbreakable banks is certainly more valuable and worth it to have some core players underveloped. If that was not the case you wouldn't have tried this strategy, would you?

I don't see how letting this go wouldn't have had bad consequences for the game to be honest. Now that you know you can't reset immediately what would have been the next step? Get some players into the kingdom just to have them send their resources and then be killed off so your actual players can join?

[Godly]

Bishop are you kidding me? Had you told us what the change was, do you think anyone would have done it? This is entrapment, plain and simple. Do you think losing 2 provs for 5 days is worth those resources? You are chart shaping. Pyro got caught with a crappy strategy and are being rewarded DOUBLE for it.

[topsy's revenge]

What's frustrating Bishop is that this is a game that outside of activity is 100% mechanic dependent. If you think 1 mechanic is broken you balance it. In this instance, you or S&B already balanced it sometime last age. People tested if aid resets the reset timer and it didn't last age. The ONLY reason you would change this mechanic is to balance this exact thing. So why balance a mechanic that you implemented and then action in an absurdly severe way when people use the now balanced mechanic?

[Godly]

Guess with all this QQ in forum war don't go so well. Can you post update?
About abuse or not we wont come to same opinion.

It went from a 100% war win (even with the reset balance change) to 50-50. So, yes. War don't go so well.

So why balance a mechanic that you implemented and then action in an absurdly severe way when people use the now balanced mechanic?

QFT. Why?

[Bishop]

I'm sorry, but you guys are talking about your asses. You didn't for one second thing that province resetting was added so you could feed via resets and respawning resources and have only yourselves to blame.

This sort of behaviour from kingdoms that should know better is stupid, it is wasteful and it needs to stop. Either clean up your act or disband.

[topsy's revenge]

So you are now saying that you actively and intentionally balanced oop resetting so that it wouldn't be worth doing, didn't tell anyone that you did this, and then when people do it(in a way that you now view as balanced and intentionally made to be ok) you action by deleting almost 4 times the resources?

[Bishop]

So you are now saying that you actively and intentionally balanced oop resetting so that it wouldn't be worth doing, didn't tell anyone that you did this, and then when people do it(in a way that you now view as balanced and intentionally made to be ok) you action by deleting almost 4 times the resources?

I'm saying that you should cop on.

[Elit]

What's frustrating Bishop is that this is a game that outside of activity is 100% mechanic dependent. If you think 1 mechanic is broken you balance it. In this instance, you or S&B already balanced it sometime last age. People tested if aid resets the reset timer and it didn't last age. The ONLY reason you would change this mechanic is to balance this exact thing. So why balance a mechanic that you implemented and then action in an absurdly severe way when people use the now balanced mechanic?

Because you found loophole in system and its need action from devs before all start use same.

[topsy's revenge]

It's not a loophole elit. They already balanced it. They made a mechanic, then they balanced it, and then they said using it is abuse.