Anything interesting happening?

[Elit]

Same logic could been applied to Utonet, both arc and Eeeegor played in Playboys at some point and both are ircops. Now I dont think that was the case but hey..

Its was Eeeegor acused from ABS about spy them :P
People can use other irc server different from abs/utonet if want. I have used different irc server in past for secure reasons. Still there is one main difference from utonet and abs. Utonet is official irc server for utopia. They cant risk making any lame move like it or every one is going to leave utonet and its kinda like game killing direct.

[Ezzerland]

Its how you use the function that is deemed as abuse. By your and other logic fake warring would be perfectly fine cause hey warring isnt against the rules cause Bishop said so.

This is a flawed argument for many reasons, but I'll use it where it is a good example. Fake warring used to be permitted. When it was changed to not be allowed, it was announced.

[Korp]

This is a flawed argument for many reasons, but I'll use it where it is a good example. Fake warring used to be permitted. When it was changed to not be allowed, it was announced.

It was never permitted just that they didnt act upon it previously. But you seem to miss the point, this situation here is where you take one context to justify ones action in a different context. Ie, Bishops "Its not against the rules is" can not be applied to this siutation since the context is different.

[Anri]

No I'm laughing at this:

Also, it's so strange that at freeze mode, every single province of my kingdom received the following message. It was to all provinces, and not just (M) or (S). Perhaps, this person was a multi from some kingdom trying to find out setup/personalities.

Game Date Pre Age
Real Date Fri, 21 Mar at 02:16 GMT+00:00
Sender Banana the Sorcerer of XX (X:XX)
Recipient Knight Dr Cancer the Sorcerer of XX (X:XX)
Subject Hi
Hi, any slot for me?

ROFL this was gold

[Anri]

I find pyros allies farming them millions after millions of gc for free before top battles interesting. Its not against game rules. But i think it should be known exactly how they fund wars with help of allies. They come here and throw mud at others and blaming others for using a game mechanic that was no rule against. Just in the same way as farming gc on 0 tpa targets from friends is no rule against. Bishop can you action it this age maybe, no, ohh maybe?
Lets start playing god for real Bishop. If you gonna sanction something then sanction those that release to 0 tpa to feed friends gc. I can come up with more things. But picked Pyros special since they are trying to burn others on a stake. Sanction it.

*insert whine here*

[TommyB]

I find pyros allies farming them millions after millions of gc for free before top battles interesting.

Did you report?

[Bishop]

For people who don't know history: long time ago ABS accuse utonet admin for spy ABS private channels. No evidence for it and i never hear for any secure problems in utonet but its was used for reason ABS to Setup his own irc server. Server are own from Hawk= current player in Havoc/CR and ex ABS leader. All rest admins are ABS leaders. So basically they have full power if want to spy your private channel and take your location and other info. If you play in small ghetto most like no one is going to bother spy you but if you start compete your security are under high risk.

My advice is: every kd using ABS irc server to move to other irc server. No point risk your security.

Apparently it was an ex PBs player that joined abs that leaked everything, nothing to do with utonet admins at all.

[Anri]

Did you report?

Not against the rules to do it. Just like what CR did was not against the rules. Its just borderline.

I rest my case

[flogger]

FWIW I don't keep logs and stuff but I can confirm Hawk used to spy on me and his co-monarch (Tonya's) PM's. We used to say things on absnet just to throw him off the trail and we'd talk for real on utonet. We caught him in doing so with disinformation.

[TommyB]

Not against the rules to do it.

Your example is a pretty clear violation of the spirit of the game IMO. Just report and have it checked if it annoys you. Unless it's just made up of course.

Can't be helped if you don't want to do anything about cheaters and prefer to QQ on forums instead...

[PhoenixScorpion]

You need to get a clue before you speak:

[20:59] <@Memster> you know what Zauper... I hate you
[20:59] <@Memster> "The funny part was that cr/havoc came up with strategy and RBLfake rage copied it blindly, kinda sad when you don't come up with your own strategies, copy a lame one, and get owned." -- Proteus
[20:59] <@Memster> :(
[20:59] <@Memster> he thinks you're smart, and we dumb
[21:00] <&maximouse> lol
[21:03] <&zauper> lol
[21:03] <@Memster> If he is going to congratulate a plan
[21:03] <@Memster> At least congratulate the person (kd) that is deserved!

The funny thing is that only someone like you would think that would be something to brag about, as it seems the rest of LS does there as well. I wouldnt be bragging but embarassed, no wonder you never make progress or learn anything.

I'm not actually in his kingdom. I run a different kingdom. I've already spoken privately to you, but there is an observation that seems necessary:

Last age, what was going on was kds would get a province of theirs heavy chained to point where it had no military and thus couldn't take or hold onto any land or do any damage to the enemy kd. Provs which were, for all intents and purposes, out of the war. The reset in that case took a province from being completely out of the war to being able to come back into the fight with huge military, without the need to even receive aid.

You did not consider that to be abuse. That was tantamount to buying warwins, and I said as much and made a suggestion thread, and you implemented a solution I suggested.

Havoc aiding out from two provs and then paying to reset them (and in a war, no less so the oop was 72 hours and not 24) is considerably less swingy to a conflict. It's nowhere near the amount of added military and resources as what was going on last age.

So you took an objectively worse case and said it wasn't abuse, even though it amounted to buying warwins so long as a kd was willing to pay $2.40 per chained prov they wanted to buy back into the war with.

But a far smaller usage caused you to change your position completely about whether it was abuse or not.

The only meaningful difference I can see is that Havoc plays in the top and the smaller kd who was abusing last age was way down the charts.


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That said, my kingdom will always follow the rules, and even though I believe that this is an ex post facto application, which real world legal systems recognize as wrong, we still just dropped nearly $100 into the game to reset our kd and be on the right side of the rule change that you made.

I would suggest in the future that people not be punished ex post facto simply because if you (as the sole arbiter of what is right/wrong) are on the record that something is acceptable, and then change your mind, people should not be retroactively punished for doing it before you changed your mind about whether it was abuse or not. The whole idea of ex post facto laws are actually a huge part of what sparked the American Revolution nearly 250 years ago.

And before anyone trolls; yes, I am aware that this is a game and not the real world, but the analogy is useful and fits the situation.

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@Proteus - LOL. It's really amusing when you say something so incredibly wrong and everyone knows it but you. Also ... pay KuHaN his money. You can't be prestigious if you don't pay your bets.

Now I see what all the problem was there, you have been wanting to become a CR 2.0 and will do anything at any cost to win (even go so far as to pay real life money to have an advantage over other players as integral to your metagame), I guess when you cant beat people with your brains the next best thing is to try and use the bank account. From a guy who claims to champion fair-play and ethics, here is another embarrassing moment for you.



Funny thing is I bet you and CR used mostly War Hero, wonder where you got that idea CTFU.

[TheOne]

looks like CR is still pissed at Pyros for using support mail function.

If you think something breaks the rules, doesnt hurt to take 2mins to write and send an email. If it doesnt work, so be it. If it works, so be it.

-cJ

[Nick_mi]

looks like CR is still pissed at Pyros for using support mail function.

If you think something breaks the rules, doesnt hurt to take 2mins to write and send an email. If it doesnt work, so be it. If it works, so be it.

-cJ

I'm still pissed at pyro players making quips about "fair play" When last age they

Farmed 150 million gc from an ally 3 days before a conflict with us
Farmed out millions and millions of science to same ally after conflict
Threatened to hit into war because they still had a dragon aimed at you
Pretty much just lameness all around.
You twist words I said to you while playing sc2 to serve your agenda
You make baseless claims against hawk and personally attack his character
Your paranoia turns every little thing you can concieve into us being evil. (We knew where pyro was at begining of age, knew you were going to suck, and completely planned to wave you pre-age because you were pyro and **** pyro. I believe this is your mindset atm?)

[DM_Benjamin]

FWIW I don't keep logs and stuff but I can confirm Hawk used to spy on me and his co-monarch (Tonya's) PM's. We used to say things on absnet just to throw him off the trail and we'd talk for real on utonet. We caught him in doing so with disinformation.

So convenient that you don't keep logs eh

[TheOne]

I'm still pissed at pyro players making quips about "fair play" When last age they

Farmed 150 million gc from an ally 3 days before a conflict with us
Farmed out millions and millions of science to same ally after conflict
Threatened to hit into war because they still had a dragon aimed at you
Pretty much just lameness all around.
You twist words I said to you while playing sc2 to serve your agenda
You make baseless claims against hawk and personally attack his character
Your paranoia turns every little thing you can concieve into us being evil. (We knew where pyro was at begining of age, knew you were going to suck, and completely planned to wave you pre-age because you were pyro and **** pyro. I believe this is your mindset atm?)

1. get your numbers right
2. there were several other kingdoms taking science, and it was from a prov that was going to be razed killed within a few hours. whoever asked us whether they could learn, we said yes.
3. so threatening is something wrong now and needs to be actioned? then CR threatened to hit AMA if AMA dodged CR, and it was mentioned in public by many of your kingdom mates. in addition, get your ethics right. So did i apologise for it after it? yes i did so openly. Did you guy ever apologise for threatening? no you didnt. did pyro cancel drake after smashing simians in a war? yes we did out of good faith, but Simians decided not to.
4. you said in the sc2 game that you guys discovered something real sick and there's a possibility of being actioned for it. maybe i should re-watch the stream i recorded and post it?
5. i clearly intentionally didnt type hawk's name, as I still respect him while referencing him as the admin of absnet. I even said thanks for hosting us while we will be moving on. There are other leaders (whom I wont name, except for flogger as he has publicly said), that told me that ABSnet can be spied on. Did I conclusively say that CR spied on us? No I didnt. Did I say we'll be taking precautions and moving out? Yes I did.

If you really want to make this into a flaming thread about past history, should I list down some of the dirty stuff CR did last age which was never publicly revealed? Such as dealbreaking Legacy twice during the age? Such as planning to wave pyro early-mid age and deal break us? What about CR was the 2nd kingdom to hit Fratzia (after Pyros hit them), and doubling hostile them.. and then took all the good gains and walked away when 1 of your leaders said that we will work out a 3 way hostile? Nope you didnt do that, you just decided to let Fratz slow us down.
How about 2 ages ago, you were supposed to war us (after Pyro-ED) and we arranged acres cap + kingdom land structure for both kingdoms.. But you guys were afraid to war then and explored Mango past the size that you all mentioned you would do so (after you guys were being LD by EJ).

How about Pyros should be angry because you all publicly flamed some kingdom members of Pyros + Pyros + myself in IRC after being actioned? I still respect some members of CR such as munk, zauper and a few others as they either dont publicly display their hatred against Pyro (for this admin action) or they probably know that Pyro did nothing wrong by reporting it. However, some of your guys just go on massive QQ and blaming others before looking at the mirror.

Every war that CR is in, there's massive QQ threads. When was the last time that CR experienced a non-qq war?

You guys have the most experienced roster in Utopia and should be showing a good example to the community on how to act in the game.

It is such a pity that because of all these issues, looks like some friendships bridges would probably need to be burnt. Always had fun talking to Nick_Mi + Hawk on IRC.

-cJ