Quote Originally Posted by 13nesta13 View Post
As far as I'm (or PyroManiaCs is) concerned, if Bishop deemed it was unfair advantage, that unfair advantage was already present for 24 hours and it made all the difference. First from them having that level of military to wave us 7 hours OOP, 2nd from us having to wave down 3 near UB provinces (who would be UB given another 12h of train time had we not chosen to take them down in the first wave) who received the unfair aid in the first wave in war, 3rd from your counter-wave, and 4th, still having the troops right till they were released by Bishop towards the tail-end of our 2nd unique in war. What the release did was to make their first chained 3 provinces in the first unique more susceptible to multi taps in our 2nd unique, and made it easier for us to hit down 1 more province; the one last halfling WH had already retrained much more to break free from our core so that he was already marginal UB (UB to most in our KD except a few) and really OOR of any profitable taps and we couldnt waste hits OOR bringing him down with the war being tight at that point. Then again, like I said, this happened at our tail-end of our 2nd unique, where 75% of our KD has already sent out troops against your provinces pre-Bishopped (can I verb this? lol). So keep thinking it's 17 v 25 war if that's what rocks your boat (exaggeration #2?).
First of all, Nesta, 5-6 hitters into your 2nd wave is not the tail-end of your 2nd unique. At least one prov who had already hit got a chance to farm them, as well. If you take a look at our paper, you'll notice it occurs at the end of the 2nd, after aid is sent to our S. If you look at the data, there's an 72k NW drop between the 2nd and the third, but you've already seen NW drop from your ~7 attacks on the 2nd.
Secondly, you'll notice that we were not actioned for sending aid. Them having more troops than you was not the 'abuse'. The 'abuse' was resetting the two land-def provs, so the actioning occured at roughly the right time for you.
Third, our entire kingdom came oop with the same target defense aside from a few provinces who screwed up training. Other than def spells giving the fae a little more def, you had about the same amount to get rid of regardless of OOP aid.
And (3), regarding the number of troops released, who's lying here then? CR members are saying Bishop released much more than what Bishop said he did. We on the other hand, didn't really care, and we didn't track. All we knew was that we were curious as to the fairness of their strategy, we sent in an email, and based on the numbers on CR's provinces and Support's reply to CJ's email, we knew Bishop took action. And we just went on with the war with no QQ. Is Bishop a more likely liar than CR members, or is it more likely the other way round? I leave that to all to judge for themselves. (exaggeration #3? or lie #1 from Bishop?)
80k NW is more than 11.5k troops (the amount of soldiers aided; less gc than enough to train them was aided), and Bishop didn't release the military in the order he described (for example, if you look at your sots on my province, you'll notice it has defspecs but no elites. In the order he mentioned, I should have no defspecs but 110 elites). Military was released off of 12 different provinces, not 5 as you mentioned -- every province that received aid. (Bishop confirmed this, btw). But here's an example -- you remember chaining our S? He had half our soldier pool (~1.5k soldiers), and had all of those soldiers, plus most of his defspecs released. He had received 800 sols in aid.

It is what it is. People claiming 20k are obviously wrong (they're doing the basic math of 80k/4=20k, but Bishop also released a number of elites and soldiers so it doesn't quite work and the NW was 72k not 80k).
Zauper, I cannot at any instance recall for once that we said we were going to farm out to Pewpew. Did you hear it from me? I know CJ was trolling you guys very very close to EOA where it was impossible for you to lose the crown by then (like just hours before EOA). Pew had no war heroes and hitting us wouldnt get the land in on time before EOA.
Or what we heard was CJ saying he was going to give them acres ~48h before the end of the age, when there was plenty of time for you to farm out to them. Combined with your kingdom training early for no particular reason.

You're right; it's not your job to reassure us or anything. It's also not our job to be nice to you if/when you decide you want to be dicks.

Lastly, I leave all interested readers some food for thought. CR resetted 2 provinces again in war, after being robbed/NSed/chained by us down to 200 acres, before war ended. Now they sit at >600 acres. So they reset for more resources again in war (for more land, more gold, more soldiers?) after explicitly being told resetting in war for more resources was what forced Bishop's hand in actioning them? War is still ongoing right? How can you reset before war is over?
We checked with Bishop and had explicit permission to rob/FG them and reset when they came out of suspension. We had permission long prior to them actually coming OOP. Of course, they also came OOP an hour before Bishop told us they would.

and dark knight: 20 pages of thread you started, and you still don't realize you can't reset after sending aid because it counts as a hostile action? Impressive. You wouldn't see any aid sent from the two of them, because they wouldn't have been able to reset.