BB vs PewPew

[Sheister]

I am not mistaking it Cello. I am attacking a tactic that I find repugnant. If this were ever done to me again, I would make it simply my mission to ensure that BB had the most miserable age possible. I would take this to war and raze them and make sure they gained nothing from it. Then I would likely spend the rest of the age throwing arsons and razes into them and stealing their gold, keeping them under riots and greed 24/7. They would forced to spend the rest of their age raze killing my provinces and I would take each one as a victory badge. I have that much hatred over this bounce tactic. There are not many things that really make me completely unreasonable. This is one of them. BB is very lucky that I have no say in this. As it is, I might just take my ghetto province and start harassing them once relations are done with pew. Since I am just a solo, there is not much at stake anyway.

[Spice]

Sheister,

I think u make a few misstakes here.

1. Why would we go uf or hostile with pew in one go and let them happily fg our stack while they have button.
2. Pewpew could come out swinging and force our orcs to send out. I think they would've been in a better position then.
3. Why would we hit pew with a bank first and open him to their banks?
4. I mean all u talk about would be us to lose advantages to pew, which we created due to a better preparation. Pew decided to waste resources on a elf and dorf for exploring. Pew had all chances and still have to win core battle.
5. Pew's banks and other provs been starving of gc or food before we even noticed, i mean wtf.
6. They tried to bounce our faeries and realised it didnt pan out (tactical error)
7. So on.

U are trying to make us bullies while we are mot. Pew didnt came to us for cf extension or any kind of diplo. Do u really think they would be in a better position if they had warred rage?

Notice how i dont complain about intra razing or stalling tactics. I think we've been fair in all the ways we could have been, considering all our advantages.

#crown4kuhan!

I know pew contacted you to extend cf

[Elit]

is the best setup on the server.

The risk is no one else thought so and we could have been wrong. If it makes other dwarf banks quit after 12 hours, imagine what itd do to humans

I still think your setup is bad. Difference from BE dwarf get over human is covered from WH human dragon immune. He loss 20% less army from emerald dragon/25% more BE or 8% more ME.
Still your setup vs another dwarfs cow is clear stronger if you use bouncess.

[Darkie89]

Spice,

I honestly haven't been contacted by pewpew personally.

[flogger]

I still think your setup is bad. Difference from BE dwarf get over human is covered from WH human dragon immune. He loss 20% less army from emerald dragon/25% more BE or 8% more ME.
Still your setup vs another dwarfs cow is clear stronger if you use bouncess.

A homes pumped dwarf cow is sitting on -75 percent kills. Being drake immune doesnt come close to neutralizing that. Its like double the kills.

[Elit]

Dwarf cow can explore more acres over the cap than human wh cow from stronger econ, esp when kd has free orc draft, although bb didnt focus too heavily on pressing that

Any tog race can draft like orc so core don't matter. Human have 20% extra income. Cows run relative low draft so this bonus can cover dwarf BE bonus. Both are relative same here.

[Tox]

People apparently never learn (ourselves included). This is almost exactly the same situation we found ourselves in 3 (4?) ages ago against Rage (not RBL, real Rage). Anyone remember what happened there?

You come into this conflict with pretty much every advantage you could ask for, and still you push for more. We're not going to play into your hand that will guarantee a farm war, that isn't fun for us. At the end of the day we knew our crown chances were basically zero the minute we got into conflict with Legacy early in the age, so we were playing for what might turn out to be fun. You've now stripped that away.

These BB people keep asking "Why would we dare give up any advantage we had?" When you have almost all advantages and refuse to part with even one of them, the other side usually doesn't give you what you want.

You thought you had this played perfectly, turns out you didn't factor in that you're fighting PewPew, and we do whatever we want.

[ofgortens]

Sounds like PewPew just got played overall with better preparation and use of their race/personality combinations to bounce down cows which is a good hostile tactic with the +kills on the orcs.

I see no 'scummy' here... just one kd gaining more advantages going in. If this were in the warring tier, the one warring kd (pewpew in this example) would just refuse to war at the cost of acres or something else (but the acres really dont matter much at that level). With this being a top3 kd war, gaining more advantages is the name of the game... and BB did just that.

Now PewPew is razing their cows and bowing out of the race completely since they saw no way of winning... to me that sounds more like the 'scummy' move when really they should just pay the price like pyro did to CR last age when they had epic fail with preparation of a top war. Ah well looks like no war here. Onto the next possible war with AMA and RBL.

[Sheister]

Well it looks to me like pewpew is going to just make sure BB is out of it. That leaves it up to RBL and AMA. So that may indeed be the only game in town now.

[Darkie89]

Tox,

U could have used other strategies to prevent us from bouncing. Stop *****ing about that and maybe look in the mirror and say ' did i make a tactical error?'

Gl

[protector]

Liar

You guys wanted another free CF extension. I said to Ryan if he was willing to offer acres we would extend. That's where it ended.

[Elit]

Game have objective and subjective factors. Objective are pure number based and Subjective are "human factors". From objective point view BB did perfect hostile, same for age 57 mention from Tox. From subjective point view both Rage age 57 and BB age 61 did big strategy mistake. They had enough advantage for not go use "advance" tactic.

No one is guilty in all this situation. BB did what they think is best and same going for Pew Pew.

[American Badass]

Out of interest, Pew could not hit any of the orc that were all out down?

[ofgortens]

Out of interest, Pew could not hit any of the orc that were all out down?

What would the point be to hit their orcs while their armies are away on bounces by the sounds of it? BB never gave ops to pewpew with them bouncing w/out the hostile meter raising (at least that's what I've gathered from the forum posts)

[protector]

I know pew contacted you to extend cf

[21:38] <Ryan> hello
[22:25] <protector> sup
[22:26] <Ryan> we're still unresolved with zz and should extend so you don't waste your time
[22:26] <protector> ???
[22:27] <Ryan> Sender The Wise Knight BackAgainForAnotherCrappyAge of I Love To Watch Porn (6:10)
[22:27] <Ryan> Recipient The Wealthy Lord Severus Snape the Sorcerer of Chancellor Puddinghead (4:39)
[22:27] <Ryan> Subject Re:Hello
[22:27] <Ryan> even? u f'ing serious? f this.....
[22:27] <Ryan> April 21 of YR5 Zenobias Zealots (6:10) has broken their ceasefire agreement with us!
[22:27] <Ryan> and theyve ignored us since
[22:28] <Ryan> they retaled and msed us by mistake, and we went over on cow land by mistake
[22:28] <Ryan> however they had a hissy fit
[22:29] <protector> my paper shows zz hostile with 1:16
[22:29] <protector> dunno how ur hostile with them? ;p
[22:29] <Ryan> we're not
[22:30] <protector> if you want to extend cf you gotta give us acres
[22:30] <Ryan> I'm just saying you're wasting resources prepping for us if you are
[22:30] <Ryan> as we'll be occupied
[22:30] <Ryan> and we extended you with havoc
[22:30] <protector> yea and we extended you with legacy so big deal
[22:30] <Ryan> I'm having the courtest to tell you ahead of time so you can keep pumping etc
[22:30] <Ryan> courtesy
[22:30] <protector> occupied with whom? with zz?
[22:31] <Ryan> pyro rage zz
[22:31] <Ryan> numerous options
[22:31] <protector> you have yr7 with rage
[22:31] <Ryan> no due to complaints from ama we altered it
[22:31] <Ryan> so it's no longer based on receiving a notice with 46 hr
[22:31] <protector> we can arrange a war that fits both, im not extending
[22:31] <protector> for free
[22:32] <Ryan> well then see you in mid yr7 probably
[22:32] <protector> fwiw it was you guys that asked us for a cf extension while we where fighting havoc
[22:32] <Ryan> lol
[22:32] <Ryan> ya what do I know, I have flogger activity
[22:32] <protector> so let tox do diplo then ;p
[22:32] <Ryan> 4 day battle with starvation atm
[22:32] <Ryan> he's gone till Monday
[22:33] <protector> going to bed, nn

They come ask for a cf extend less than 24 hours before it expires when we have already made some preparations. Normally, talks to extend a cease fire start a few days earlier already.
This was basically an "oh damn, we've got CF expiring and we're not ready"

And again, for me it was either agree to war at a specific date (to be agreed) or give us acres for a cf extend.